Article from a new years ago about a group test with a McLaren f1
“we had to insure it for what now seems like a very reasonable £5million, but the excess on the policy was nonetheless large enough to close the magazine for good and put us all out of a job”
Sounds scary
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:07 pm
by GG.
Very.
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:23 pm
by ZedLeg
That reminded me how excellent that group test was.
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:38 pm
by GG.
ZedLeg wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:23 pm
That reminded me how excellent that group test was.
I think there was a yootoob video released of it as well IIRC.
ETA:
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:56 pm
by ZedLeg
It would be interesting to see how the GTO stacks up against an F1, CGT etc as a usable car. I realise no one drives these cars though
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:19 pm
by integrale_evo
Pretty disappointed that Harry had both f40 and f50 sat there in his shed and didn’t put them in a row for a walk around / clip
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:22 pm
by mik
integrale_evo wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:19 pm
Pretty disappointed that Harry had both f40 and f50 sat there in his shed and didn’t put them in a row for a walk around / clip
I didn't think about the F50, but yes I also wanted him to show the F40 alongside since he made reference to it. Thankfully he didn't waste much time on the 288 Evoluzione. It's uglier than Predator.
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:46 pm
by integrale_evo
Ugly as sin, but I like how brutal they are and if you stick one between the 288 and f40 the clear mid point for the metamorphosis from one to the other
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:44 pm
by IanF
Looks grew on me, but once again Lotus look like they’re attempting to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:33 pm
by GG.
integrale_evo wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:46 pm
Ugly as sin
Looks like someone grafted this boy's face onto the front of a car...
Is it a Nissan Juke underneath? That's the only reason I could think of going with that headlight arrangement.
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:43 pm
by Mito Man
It'll be some sort of Polestar underneath. The 288 Evo was put together from a rather more special parts bin.
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:56 pm
by Jobbo
I’m not sure it is just a Polestar. Geely seem to be doing some quite decent and diverse stuff currently. Not sure it’s really a Lotus though.
Thing is, I rather like it. It’s a bit of a bargain compared to many other big SUVs with either engines or electric motors. And Geely’s involvement makes it look less of a risk than if Lotus were knocking them together in Hethel.
It’s always going to be worse testing an EV in winter but the range is really crap, so I’d like to see an update on this. I’ve heard others be less critical so maybe there was a reason for Harry’s findings or maybe a 2.6 tonne SUV really is that inefficient…
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:01 pm
by nuttinnew
GG. wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:33 pm
Is it a Nissan Juke underneath?
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:25 pm
by mik
Jobbo wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:56 pm
I’ve heard others be less critical so maybe there was a reason for Harry’s findings or maybe a 2.6 tonne SUV really is that inefficient…
We took our 2.6 tonne SUV for dinner last night (drove there in it as opposed to taking it for a date). Cold December weather. Not pre-heated. Did 2.3 miles per kwh. I’m not sure Harry comparing it you a Taycan is a fair comparison tbh.
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:34 pm
by nuttinnew
Jobbo wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:56 pm
It’s always going to be worse testing an EV in winter but the range is really crap, so I’d like to see an update on this. I’ve heard others be less critical so maybe there was a reason for Harry’s findings or maybe a 2.6 tonne SUV really is that inefficient…
If 8°is enough to have that much effect it doesn't bode well for when it gets cold (rather than just being in single figures). The range reading is worse though, I wonder if the battery percentage is more accurate? They're not things you want to be optimistic, that'll only aggravate range anxiety
I like the way Harry looks at fuel cost/efficiency, and yep, a 2.6 tonne suv is a 2.6 tonne suv regardless of fuel used. As he mentioned the Urus I wonder how it compares?
He mentioned it'd been doing the school run with a child seat in the rear; when he opened it the rear door didn't look to open very wide
I wonder how much road grime will come through the rear arch vents?
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:43 pm
by Rich B
That thing is revolting. Looks like a bloated version of one of those ugly MGs.
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:59 pm
by jamcg
The design is so rear heavy it makes it look like the rear wheels are an inch or two smaller than the fronts
Re: Harry’s Garage
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:29 pm
by Mito Man
Lotus Eletre must be a shared platform with the Polestar 5 and the upcoming Lotus Taycan competitor - they all look the same and have the same battery. I think the electrical architecture is from the Polestar 3. No doubt the chaps from Hethel have secreted their special juices to tune the suspension so it handles better than a S1 Exige
Jobbo wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:56 pm
It’s always going to be worse testing an EV in winter but the range is really crap, so I’d like to see an update on this. I’ve heard others be less critical so maybe there was a reason for Harry’s findings or maybe a 2.6 tonne SUV really is that inefficient…
If 8°is enough to have that much effect it doesn't bode well for when it gets cold (rather than just being in single figures). The range reading is worse though, I wonder if the battery percentage is more accurate? They're not things you want to be optimistic, that'll only aggravate range anxiety
I like the way Harry looks at fuel cost/efficiency, and yep, a 2.6 tonne suv is a 2.6 tonne suv regardless of fuel used. As he mentioned the Urus I wonder how it compares?
He mentioned it'd been doing the school run with a child seat in the rear; when he opened it the rear door didn't look to open very wide
I wonder how much road grime will come through the rear arch vents?
The range is a sliding scale on some of these EVs. It's totally fictitious and over reads at 100%, somewhat accurate at 50% and then very accurate below 30%. You can thank Tesla for starting that trend.
