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Beany wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:51 am Best laugh of the night was definitely Bojos constituency, with Lord Buckethead and Count Binface

Lord Buckethead gets 125 votes. Accept this. Next to be read out is Count Binface, who gets 69 votes....and Lord Buckethead promptly turns around and gives Count Binface the finger.

I did enjoy that.

I had to look it up. Elmo as well, hilarious

I didn't know [mention]Simon[/mention] had stood for parliament!

I'd got in on the act when Corbyn went to vote too

dinny_g wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:09 am Or alternatively, listen to the masses and give them what they ask for - not tell them they're wrong..."THIS is what you want..." etc. If you have to change the political structure to gain power, your fundamentals are not correct.

Just a thought.

But what if they are wrong?

I'm over the moon that Labour is taking this so well.

all the labour MPs are blaming their defeat entirely on brexit, none of them will admit that corbyn was the problem despite saying that people on the doorstep had been telling them that.

integrale_evo wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:56 am all the labour MPs are blaming their defeat entirely on brexit, none of them will admit that corbyn was the problem despite saying that people on the doorstep had been telling them that.

Further proving how far their heads are buried in the sand.

If you’re supposed to be a part for the many, perhaps it’s a good idea to listen to the many?

Rich B wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:05 pm

integrale_evo wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:56 am all the labour MPs are blaming their defeat entirely on brexit, none of them will admit that corbyn was the problem despite saying that people on the doorstep had been telling them that.

Further proving how far their heads are buried in the sand.

If you’re supposed to be a part for the many, perhaps it’s a good idea to listen to the many?

You’re raising a good point here, now the Tories have won a load of Labour supporters will they listen to the ex-Labour voters and try and shift to being more central to keep them because they’ve spotted the gaping hole in Labours ship which ultimately caused them to leave in the first place? E.g. try and increase spending in the NHS to somewhere near what Labour were proposing?

I don’t expect they’ll entertain all the ideas for example re-nationalisation.

Yep - exactly why Boris named his key priority as the NHS in his speech yesterday. He's going to pivot to ensure he can try and keep hold of some of those seats in five years time. He's no ideologue wedded to austerity, anti-immigration, etc. - complete chalk and cheese to May & Hammond - Hostile Environment Theresa and Spreadsheet Phil. The hilarious thing is how little people on the left realise it.

The interview with Faiza Shaheen v Jack Straw on Newsnight last night shows how the hard left of Labour are in total denial. Faiza was banging on about the system being rigged and it not being their fault, etc. etc. in between biting Straws head off for accidentally calling her Faizal "MY name is FAIZA - FAIZAL is a mans name!" like the entitled 14 year old she is .

I'm sure she has absolutely no idea how truly awful she comes across as. Shes exactly the kind of person they need to ditch and ditch fast. The Blairite old guard are a totally different class of politician.

And how can Labour possibly blame Brexit on their failure?

Even if we were to assume that leave/remain support was still 50/50, then it would effectively restrict CON to 50% of voters and LD would be restricted to the other 50%. LAB would have had access to 100% of the voters by default.

They need a major rethink if they want to ever get a chance again, but I expect Corbyn will stick around until Corbyn v2.0 is in place to carry on down the same road.

Rich B wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:29 pm And how can Labour possibly blame Brexit on their failure?

My favourite ‘FaceBook analysis’ of the result was that it’s proof positive we NEED another referendum on Brexit. It’s the ONLY reason Conservatives won a majority. Labour voters voting Lib Dem to get another Referendum”

GG. wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:07 pm

The interview with Faiza Shaheen v Jack Straw on Newsnight last night shows how the hard left of Labour are in total denial. Faiza was banging on about the system being rigged and it not being their fault, etc. etc. in between biting Straws head off for accidentally calling her Faizal "MY name is FAIZA - FAIZAL is a mans name!" like the entitled 14 year old she is .

I'm sure she has absolutely no idea how truly awful she comes across as. Shes exactly the kind of person they need to ditch and ditch fast. The Blairite old guard are a totally different class of politician.

I watched this whilst being rather drunk last night and thought the same. She came across as a pouty little truth avoider. A horrible shit and I'm glad she lost in her constituency.

For a while the TV and radio has been full of traditional Labour voters saying they cannot vote for Corbyn so it's a little silly to try and spin things as a result of Brexit.

Rich B wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:29 pm And how can Labour possibly blame Brexit on their failure?

Even if we were to assume that leave/remain support was still 50/50, then it would effectively restrict CON to 50% of voters and LD would be restricted to the other 50%. LAB would have had access to 100% of the voters by default.

They need a major rethink if they want to ever get a chance again, but I expect Corbyn will stick around until Corbyn v2.0 is in place to carry on down the same road.

Both myself and a close friend completely agree with your view there. We concluded if a Corbyn V2.0 gets in then the next election is to go to the Tory party and labour will split into two. The end result being if labour aren’t willing to accept the truth now then they’ve got at least ten years until their next hopeful sniff at power.

So Boris’s new cabinet is going to have at least 2 people who didn’t win their seat in the election.

Glad we’re getting away from all these unelected people trying to run our country.

Yeah. Just like Mandelson, Adonis, etc

You really think ANY of these so-called “elected” officials run the country ????

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

Indeed - it’s run by Lizards from a hotel in Watford...

What's all this putting it in law to leave by the end of 2020? What a stupid idea.

There's a certain school of thought that thinks the spectre of a second referendum, that we may not actually leave the EU etc weakened our negotiating position with the EU to date.

The option of further extensions could have the same impact although to a lesser effect. He has a decent majority now so it's time to Piss or get off the Pot...

and besides, he can always being in fresh legislation later to undo what he's about to do anyway.