OV9

I’ve just watched Harry’s Farm on this, it’s a shame they’ve made a hash of it. I went on a ride in a prototype about a year ago and they promised that the final car would be lighter, out turn a Defender (didn’t specify which but it’s worse than the old 110 according to Harry and mine already has a much tighter turning circle than standard due to some modifications!).
The boot is stupid, why doesn’t the big door open first. Having a Model 3 style dash with no Speedo in front of the driver is stupid - this thing isn’t going to be self driving any time this century.
Why are the diff lock controls so stupid? My quad bike has buttons for switchable 4wd and diffs and they instantly engage. So does the UTV. And that’s 7 year old redneck agricultural tech.

I can just about justify part exchanging my Defender for one in 2 years time (for minimal outlay) if it keeps up its stupidly good residuals and the Ineos depreciates quite well because at least it’s Euro 6 so I’m not extorted whenever I need to go to a big city. And hopefully being unpopular will mean it won’t get stolen the minute you park up in London!

At approx 6min40 Harry tells us that the screws missing from the boot doors are “a bit onimous”

Wassat?

I thought he was referring to build quality when he said it was ominous.

The weight does seem to be the killer.

Who knew that you can over engineer too much.

ZedLeg wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:00 am I thought he was referring to build quality when he said it was ominous.

If he'd said it was oMiNous, then I fully agree.

Harry instead tells me it is oNiMous.

ZedLeg wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:00 am Who knew that you can over engineer too much.

Jaguar's all aluminium "lightweight" architecture has entered the chat...

Mito Man wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 7:28 pm I’ve just watched Harry’s Farm on this, it’s a shame they’ve made a hash of it. I went on a ride in a prototype about a year ago and they promised that the final car would be lighter, out turn a Defender (didn’t specify which but it’s worse than the old 110 according to Harry and mine already has a much tighter turning circle than standard due to some modifications!).
The boot is stupid, why doesn’t the big door open first. Having a Model 3 style dash with no Speedo in front of the driver is stupid - this thing isn’t going to be self driving any time this century.
Why are the diff lock controls so stupid? My quad bike has buttons for switchable 4wd and diffs and they instantly engage. So does the UTV. And that’s 7 year old redneck agricultural tech.

I can just about justify part exchanging my Defender for one in 2 years time (for minimal outlay) if it keeps up its stupidly good residuals and the Ineos depreciates quite well because at least it’s Euro 6 so I’m not extorted whenever I need to go to a big city. And hopefully being unpopular will mean it won’t get stolen the minute you park up in London!

The dash is to give better visibility.
The diff locks are because they are proper strong diff locks. If they auto engage then when you become stuck, you are truly stuck as you then can’t engage diff lock and reverse out, it’s the same for all proper diff locks. You just hit the button and start to drive and it will very quickly engage.
The little door opening first is definitely silly, the Defender door is huge and basically means you can never reverse park if you want to use it.
The turning circle I’ve seen measured at 12m on a YouTube video but I’m assuming they couldn’t use a tape measure.
The front bumper is great as I stand on mine all the time when loading, the front wings need something grippy to stand on though.
The front diff guard being too short isn’t an issue as it’s a STEERING GUARD to push anything it hits under the steering arms so they don’t go above them and lock the steering up.

Maybe they asked too many fanboys, the steering self centring and foot space would be an instant No from the wife, which must put a huge amount of people off considering these would mainly be used on road.

So simply, lose 500kg, re-route the exhaust and swap the opening of the doors.

Dave!

V8Granite wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:58 am So simply, lose 500kg, re-route the exhaust and swap the opening of the doors.

One of those is probably achievable

V8Granite wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:58 am
Maybe they asked too many fanboys,

I think it's the opposite tbh, it's Jim Ratcliffe's baby and he's got exactly what he wanted for better or worse.

I suppose it was good that he built it, if this is what people wanted from a new Defender they were never going to get it in a million years

mik wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:03 am

ZedLeg wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:00 am I thought he was referring to build quality when he said it was ominous.

If he'd said it was oMiNous, then I fully agree.

Harry instead tells me it is oNiMous.

Ay yeah, I don't really notice his weird mispronunciations most of the time.

ZedLeg wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 9:21 am

V8Granite wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:58 am
Maybe they asked too many fanboys,

I think it's the opposite tbh, it's Jim Ratcliffe's baby and he's got exactly what he wanted for better or worse.

He got what he wanted subject to compromises, such as the footwell encroachment, weight etc.

That's true, it's a little odd for the Brexitmobile to be compromised in rhd

ZedLeg wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 9:38 am That's true, it's a little odd for the Brexitmobile to be compromised in rhd

Well, he bought in German engines and builds in it France in a former Mercedes factory so I think he only cares about profit, not sovereignty...

ZedLeg wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 9:22 am

mik wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:03 am

ZedLeg wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:00 am I thought he was referring to build quality when he said it was ominous.

If he'd said it was oMiNous, then I fully agree.

Harry instead tells me it is oNiMous.

Ay yeah, I don't really notice his weird mispronunciations most of the time.

Maybe I'll be proven to be the ignorant one here but the funniest thing on the latest vids was the "roller ball" steering. Umm - I've heard of worm and roller and recirculating ball but I think rollerballs are found on desks not steering systems...

I think it was obvious from the first few minutes of the Garage video what he thought of it and it panned out exactly as I knew it would!

Lots of nice cars at that show. All the people looked like cunts though .

I was going to go down at lunch on one of the days but entrance was £50 and with the best will in the world I wasn't paying £50 for half an hours walk around...

Schuppan 962 looked Probably would have done better had they run that at Le Mans this year

Yes £50 to view 50 cars. Makes the British Grand Prix seem cheap.

I really want to see a road test of that mad propeller car.

The density of cool stuff looked extremely high, but yeah, £50...

Maybe it’s this one