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Re: Trump
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:08 am
by Rich B
What was it? Tweet deleted.
Re: Trump
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:19 am
by ZedLeg
Of course not, the people he appeals to will think he’s very good and smart for tricking the government.
Re: Trump
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:16 am
by mik
I am now hitting a pay-wall for the NYTimes.
Effectively the same story here:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... y-54319948
Re: Trump
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:40 am
by Swervin_Mervin
ZedLeg wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:19 am
Of course not, the people he appeals to will think he’s very good and smart for tricking the government.
This. TBH he could probably walk into the front room of any of his supporters, piss on their kids, rifle through their purses/wallets for all the cash they have, and then tell them that he wasn't there and it's all fake, and they'd probably still support him.
Re: Trump
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:54 am
by dinny_g
Sad but true Mervin, sad but true...
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:29 am
by unzippy
Swervin_Mervin wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:40 am
ZedLeg wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:19 am
Of course not, the people he appeals to will think he’s very good and smart for tricking the government.
This. TBH he could probably walk into the front room of any of his supporters, piss on their kids, rifle through their purses/wallets for all the cash they have
- whilst on video, and then tell them that he wasn't there and it's all fake, and they'd probably still support him.
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:49 am
by Marv
Yep, bit like the idiots who will blindly vote Conservatives at the next election.
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:27 am
by Rich B
Marv wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:49 am
Yep, bit like the idiots who will blindly vote Conservatives at the next election.
its not hard, there needs to be a credible alternative or people will simply vote for the lesser of two evils/the devil they know.
Sadly there hasn't been a credible alternative - there's been Hilary Clinton and Corbyns Labour.
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:41 am
by ZedLeg
The last UK & US elections have been won by people who knew how to play the game better and we ended up with leaders woefully ill equipped for the job. People who want to be in power just to be there.
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:45 am
by GG.
Rich B wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:27 am
Marv wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:49 am
Yep, bit like the idiots who will blindly vote Conservatives at the next election.
its not hard, there needs to be a credible alternative or people will simply vote for the lesser of two evils/the devil they know.
Sadly there hasn't been a credible alternative - there's been Hilary Clinton and Corbyns Labour.
Yep that's a bit of a ironic comment as its implied in tone that he'd vote for anyone but them with no definitive assurance of who will be leading either party in 2024 or what their policies would be. Probably Starmer on the Labour side but likely not Johnson for the Conservatives I would have thought. Right at the moment I expect the cons would be better doing a Blair-Brown style transition to Sunak before the next election.
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:02 am
by duncs500
GG. wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:45 am
Rich B wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:27 am
Marv wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:49 am
Yep, bit like the idiots who will blindly vote Conservatives at the next election.
its not hard, there needs to be a credible alternative or people will simply vote for the lesser of two evils/the devil they know.
Sadly there hasn't been a credible alternative - there's been Hilary Clinton and Corbyns Labour.
Yep that's a bit of a ironic comment as its implied in tone that he'd vote for anyone but them with no definitive assurance of who will be leading either party in 2024 or what their policies would be. Probably Starmer on the Labour side but likely not Johnson for the Conservatives I would have thought. Right at the moment I expect the cons would be better doing a Blair-Brown style transition to Sunak before the next election.
You reckon? Surely Boris will cling on to power like Trump is?
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:06 am
by Rich B
GG wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:02 amRight at the moment I expect the cons would be better doing a Blair-Brown style transition to Sunak before the next election.
Because that went well when labour did it.
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:07 am
by Swervin_Mervin
Rich B wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:27 am
Marv wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:49 am
Yep, bit like the idiots who will blindly vote Conservatives at the next election.
its not hard, there needs to be a credible alternative or people will simply vote for the lesser of two evils/the devil they know.
Sadly there hasn't been a credible alternative - there's been Hilary Clinton and Corbyns Labour.
It's not even about that in the US. There could be a perfectly credible alternative but that wouldn't matter to the Trump supporters. It's more akin to the Labour and Conservative voters of old I'd say - doesn't matter what either party did, their voters would blindly only vote the way they always had because they couldn't conceive of voting the opposite.
Even then, that's still not really the same - it's specifically Trump they support, no matter what he does. If a leader of any party in this country did even a fraction of what he's done, they'd be out and with little support from the public.
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:09 am
by Swervin_Mervin
duncs500 wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:02 am
GG. wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:45 am
Rich B wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:27 am
its not hard, there needs to be a credible alternative or people will simply vote for the lesser of two evils/the devil they know.
Sadly there hasn't been a credible alternative - there's been Hilary Clinton and Corbyns Labour.
Yep that's a bit of a ironic comment as its implied in tone that he'd vote for anyone but them with no definitive assurance of who will be leading either party in 2024 or what their policies would be. Probably Starmer on the Labour side but likely not Johnson for the Conservatives I would have thought. Right at the moment I expect the cons would be better doing a Blair-Brown style transition to Sunak before the next election.
You reckon? Surely Boris will cling on to power like Trump is?
Nah - Boris doesn't crave power imo, just attention. I imagine he doesn't really like the hard work that goes with being PM - no way he'll stay on. He'll "get Brexit done" and then hot foot it out of there.
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:14 am
by duncs500
Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:09 am
Nah - Boris doesn't crave power imo, just attention. I imagine he doesn't really like the hard work that goes with being PM - no way he'll stay on. He'll "get Brexit done" and then hot foot it out of there.
Maybe, but I always thought BoJo wanted his Churchillian legacy. I don't think he can get that with only one term. Good point about it being too much like hard work though!
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:57 am
by GG.
Rich B wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:06 am
GG wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:02 amRight at the moment I expect the cons would be better doing a Blair-Brown style transition to Sunak before the next election.
Because that went well when labour did it.
The comparison was only intended to refer to the mid term transition with no leadership contest rather than the characters of the two individuals.
I agree with Merv - Boris will have steered the country through Brexit and a global pandemic plus a trip to the ICU to boot and has already (in his mind i'm sure) proved himself by winning a landslide majority. He'll not be keen on staying for the sake of it I don't think and I wouldn't let people drawing false equivalence between Trump and Johnson on account of their hair colour lead you into thinking they are remotely alike in reality.
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:05 am
by ZedLeg
GG. wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:57 am
I agree with Merv - Boris will have steered the country through Brexit and a global pandemic
I don't think the evidence is there for either of those claims yet
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:08 am
by GG.
I don't disagree but I am hoping both will be history by the time 2024 rolls around - for all of our sakes!
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:29 am
by dinny_g
ZedLeg wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:05 am
GG. wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:57 am
I agree with Merv - Boris will have steered the country through Brexit and a global pandemic
I don't think the evidence is there for either of those claims yet
Steering badly is still steering...
Starmer has the capability of swaying my vote next time out but he still has more to do...
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:52 am
by V8Granite
duncs500 wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:14 am
Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:09 am
Nah - Boris doesn't crave power imo, just attention. I imagine he doesn't really like the hard work that goes with being PM - no way he'll stay on. He'll "get Brexit done" and then hot foot it out of there.
Maybe, but I always thought BoJo wanted his Churchillian legacy. I don't think he can get that with only one term. Good point about it being too much like hard work though!
I thought he’d have a bit more pith and vinegar about him. He does look utterly wrecked but I don’t know how much of that is the Brexit/Covid double whammy or the fact he caught it.
I’d have some more respect for him if he came back and said I need a few more weeks, I’m knackered.
Dave!