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Lovely thing

It is lovely and wasn’t massively over what I expected it to cost, but how much does a Fulvia Zagato go for now?

Harry is at risk of having a garage full of perfect cars which have each cost him 6 figures.

ETA: this seems a relative bargain: https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1491627

Is the 1600 rarer/more valuable? He acknowledges that it's more than it's worth, but why not - if you're not selling and it's exactly what you want, then great!

Jobbo wrote: Mon Dec 26, 2022 6:20 am It is lovely and wasn’t massively over what I expected it to cost, but how much does a Fulvia Zagato go for now?

Harry is at risk of having a garage full of perfect cars which have each cost him 6 figures.

ETA: this seems a relative bargain: https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1491627

His is probably one of the best examples around as these were only £10-15k cars a decade ago and any earlier restorations will not have been as thorough. I could imagine a Lancia enthusiast paying £80-90k to own that.

I quite like it, but I mainly forwarded to get to the point where the driving started..... and reached the end.

I know the red is original but I thought it looked much better in black.

I was quite surprised about how far forward the engine is in that Lancia

It's way in front of the front axle/wheels

Thought that was the worst possible sin in terms of car design and dynamics...

Common for longitudinal fwd unless you can magic up something funky with driveshafts through the sump which then gives rideheight issues.

Alfasud is the same, and why they used a boxer, and the lancia a V4, to keep the block length short.

You can see the drive flanges under the brake callipers,



I expect the fulvia is very similar, as is the Subaru Impreza. Basically the same as a beetle / 911 spun 180 degrees and bolted the other end.

Late Audis and 911s have a useful redesign to improve things; page 30 on https://www.a5oc.com/attachments/vwusa- ... df.165142/

Clever. Adds quite a bit of width though, not so good for older cars but fine now they all fill parking spaces

I'm not sure what it does for foot room but iirc a complaint of the A5 was the awkward offset to the right the pedals had (alleviated by getting an auto).

nuttinnew wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:53 pm I'm not sure what it does for foot room but iirc a complaint of the A5 was the awkward offset to the right the pedals had (alleviated by getting an auto).

That was the case in my S6 (C5 model) as well so I think it’s just an Audi thing generally.

Jobbo wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 7:12 pm

nuttinnew wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:53 pm I'm not sure what it does for foot room but iirc a complaint of the A5 was the awkward offset to the right the pedals had (alleviated by getting an auto).

That was the case in my S6 (C5 model) as well so I think it’s just an Audi thing generally.

Interesting; I've never found it an issue in B5 Passats. but then they didn't get the V8* and maybe it's that that makes the difference


* Slightly ot; the V8 fits the Passat (and the A4), and the W12 is said to have a slightly smaller footprint

nuttinnew wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:53 pm
I'm not sure what it does for foot room but iirc a complaint of the A5 was the awkward offset to the right the pedals had (alleviated by getting an auto)

Compared to the B5 / C5 platform cars, the A5 (and related A4 of that generation - ?B8?) were the ones where Audi made a point of how much they'd moved the powertrain rearwards into the middle of the car so the engine was no longer slung outboard of the front axle. Could that have impacted on position of the rhd pedal box? I didn't find the pedals in my former 2.7t A6 C5 to be particularly offset compared to anything else I drive.

Mito Man wrote: Mon Dec 26, 2022 5:48 pm I know the red is original but I thought it looked much better in black.

Originally I was with you but it's such an interesting shape (after xxx hours of body work) the red really shows it off.

Rich B wrote: Mon Dec 26, 2022 8:54 am Is the 1600 rarer/more valuable? He acknowledges that it's more than it's worth, but why not - if you're not selling and it's exactly what you want, then great!

Very much so. The 1600 was only in the HF (High Fidelity) cars so they would have typically been homologation or competition cars.

Year in review, boy has that XJC been a problem child!

Jag P8 coolant pipe

Harry has had a bit of a torid time with his classics.

Seems to have a lot of problems considering the vast amounts of money spent. I wouldn’t have been amused!

Seems to be the usual problems with repro parts rather than any incompetence from the builders though. I'd imagine the first little while after a big resto like that will have a bit of a snagging list to go through.

£87k for the Fulvia rebuild though, admittedly cheaper than I had guessed in my head. No wonder he had to sell some bikes

integrale_evo wrote: Sun Jan 01, 2023 11:37 pm Seems to have a lot of problems considering the vast amounts of money spent. I wouldn’t have been amused!

Poor quality parts, both genuine and aftermarket is the reason I’m becoming more and more disappointed with cars in general.

Dave!