Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:20 pm
I’ve said it before: the Greatest Generation was survived by the Worst Generation.
What a load of utter bolloxSimon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:59 pm On a serious note for a second, what frustrates me most about the key demographic that have installed the liar in chief is that they are the ultimate ladder-puller-uppers. They've likely benefitted from universal free education, affordable housing, good wage inflation, unprecedented gains in life quality and expectancy, long retirements (when the pension age should've been raised years ago), numerous tax breaks like married persons tax relief and mortgage interest tax relief, they may have a BTL or two to supplement their pension, so farming the subsequent generation to feather their own nests, triple locked state pensions and defined benefit private pensions, and the ironic few will have even taken advantage of free movement to retire to the Costa del England in Spain somewhere, etc etc and yet likely because of the hate stoked bollox by Paul Dacre in the Daily Facist, combined with an increased number of sightings of 'brown people' around they want to rewind the country back to 1965 just so that they can get their rose tinted NHS prescribed specs out of the drawer and to hell to anyone else, their jobs, their opportunities or their prosperity.
The 'Gammon', as has been coined in the media (a phrase I used to hate, but to hell with it) really don't understand what they're doing, but what do they care with their protected incomes and their sunburnt sour faced harreden wives? They'll be singing 'Rule Britannia' and waving their plastic Union Jack flags whilst Boris delivered his bollox this afternoon, whilst sitting in their lounges lined with Royal Wedding 1981 commemorative plates and pictures of their white white friends from the bridge club.
That generation need to feel the pain of what they've done.
Which bit do you disagree with?Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:16 pmWhat a load of utter bolloxSimon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:59 pm On a serious note for a second, what frustrates me most about the key demographic that have installed the liar in chief is that they are the ultimate ladder-puller-uppers. They've likely benefitted from universal free education, affordable housing, good wage inflation, unprecedented gains in life quality and expectancy, long retirements (when the pension age should've been raised years ago), numerous tax breaks like married persons tax relief and mortgage interest tax relief, they may have a BTL or two to supplement their pension, so farming the subsequent generation to feather their own nests, triple locked state pensions and defined benefit private pensions, and the ironic few will have even taken advantage of free movement to retire to the Costa del England in Spain somewhere, etc etc and yet likely because of the hate stoked bollox by Paul Dacre in the Daily Facist, combined with an increased number of sightings of 'brown people' around they want to rewind the country back to 1965 just so that they can get their rose tinted NHS prescribed specs out of the drawer and to hell to anyone else, their jobs, their opportunities or their prosperity.
The 'Gammon', as has been coined in the media (a phrase I used to hate, but to hell with it) really don't understand what they're doing, but what do they care with their protected incomes and their sunburnt sour faced harreden wives? They'll be singing 'Rule Britannia' and waving their plastic Union Jack flags whilst Boris delivered his bollox this afternoon, whilst sitting in their lounges lined with Royal Wedding 1981 commemorative plates and pictures of their white white friends from the bridge club.
That generation need to feel the pain of what they've done.![]()
All of it pretty much. But particularly the idea that an entire generation has schemed to fvck over subsequent generations, rather than just having lived and worked at a particular time in this country's economic history. It's total twaddle.Zonda_ wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:18 pmWhich bit do you disagree with?Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:16 pmWhat a load of utter bolloxSimon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:59 pm On a serious note for a second, what frustrates me most about the key demographic that have installed the liar in chief is that they are the ultimate ladder-puller-uppers. They've likely benefitted from universal free education, affordable housing, good wage inflation, unprecedented gains in life quality and expectancy, long retirements (when the pension age should've been raised years ago), numerous tax breaks like married persons tax relief and mortgage interest tax relief, they may have a BTL or two to supplement their pension, so farming the subsequent generation to feather their own nests, triple locked state pensions and defined benefit private pensions, and the ironic few will have even taken advantage of free movement to retire to the Costa del England in Spain somewhere, etc etc and yet likely because of the hate stoked bollox by Paul Dacre in the Daily Facist, combined with an increased number of sightings of 'brown people' around they want to rewind the country back to 1965 just so that they can get their rose tinted NHS prescribed specs out of the drawer and to hell to anyone else, their jobs, their opportunities or their prosperity.
The 'Gammon', as has been coined in the media (a phrase I used to hate, but to hell with it) really don't understand what they're doing, but what do they care with their protected incomes and their sunburnt sour faced harreden wives? They'll be singing 'Rule Britannia' and waving their plastic Union Jack flags whilst Boris delivered his bollox this afternoon, whilst sitting in their lounges lined with Royal Wedding 1981 commemorative plates and pictures of their white white friends from the bridge club.
That generation need to feel the pain of what they've done.![]()
^ I agreeSwervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:24 pmAll of it pretty much. But particularly the idea that an entire generation has schemed to fvck over subsequent generations, rather than just having lived and worked at a particular time in this country's economic history. It's total twaddle.
I think you're conflating Conservative Party members with a certain demographic of Brexit voters in general. I doubt your average Tory Party member is a flag flying, Carling swilling ex-pat in Spain.Simon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:33 pm The point of my diatribe was that the gammon generation had it good - really good - and are behaving this way because they somehow think that things are actually bad for them and these votes will improve things for them (selfishly) irrespective of the consequence on anyone else.
My points about how good they've had it are all true. They've lived in a particular time in history that's had it better than probably any other. And they're not deliberately voting to screw over subsequent generations, but those are the effects regardless.
I’m wondering what things they are hoarding? If it’s money then what do you expect them to do, cash in a decent pension early or sell their house ? In 1998 we had to sign out of any pension arguments when signing our apprenticeship contract as the final salary scheme was phased out.ZedLeg wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:07 am It’s generally thought that the baby boom generation had the best shot. Cheap housing and higher education, well paying jobs with security and the benefits of the welfare state before it was picked apart by subsequent governments.
Of course there will be people who don’t fit the trend but the evidence shows that it gets harder and harder for each subsequent generation to get established and secure because the boomers are hoarding everything they got.
This blithely ignores the fact that, adjusted for inflation (and therefore in today’s prices) the average house 20 years ago was the equivalent of £120k vs £220k now. When I was born, the average house was the equivalent of £90k, so the big increase in the average cost of houses has been in the last 10 years or so.Rich B wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:49 am If we’re generalising, twenty somethings want to buy their own houses (in the best areas), but they also want brand new German cars, annual holidays to the Far East/America/Australia, £20k weddings, £1k phones, expensive watches and clothes, new everything, etc....
If they did without all those they could probably buy a house (in a less desirable area).
I'll generalise and say I've never met a single person that fits the above description.Rich B wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:49 am If we’re generalising, twenty somethings want to buy their own houses (in the best areas), but they also want brand new German cars, annual holidays to the Far East/America/Australia, £20k weddings, £1k phones, expensive watches and clothes, new everything, etc....
If they did without all those they could probably buy a house (in a less desirable area).
NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:11 amThis blithely ignores the fact that, adjusted for inflation (and therefore in today’s prices) the average house 20 years ago was the equivalent of £120k vs £220k now. When I was born, the average house was the equivalent of £90k, so the big increase in the average cost of houses has been in the last 10 years or so.Rich B wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:49 am If we’re generalising, twenty somethings want to buy their own houses (in the best areas), but they also want brand new German cars, annual holidays to the Far East/America/Australia, £20k weddings, £1k phones, expensive watches and clothes, new everything, etc....
If they did without all those they could probably buy a house (in a less desirable area).
It be easy to dismiss that statement as utterly counter to reality. However as it may only be counter to my reality I'll ask for some data to correlate it back to general reality.
A bit of a red herring that one, how many people went to Uni in the sixties ? Not very many, but you're implying things were better then. Higher education is FAR more accessible nowadays.