Back spasms/sciatica

[NotoriousREV]

Also from the same NHS page:

Although osteopaths may use some conventional medical techniques, the use of osteopathy isn't always based on scientific evidence.

Some osteopaths claim to be able to treat conditions that aren't directly related to muscles, bones and joints, such as headaches, migraines, painful periods, digestive disorders, depression and excessive crying in babies (colic).

But there isn't enough evidence to suggest that osteopathy can treat these problems.

The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) recommends manual therapy alongside exercise as a treatment option for lower back pain, with or without sciatica.

There's limited evidence to suggest that osteopathy may be effective for some types of neck, shoulder or lower-limb pain, and recovery after hip or knee operations.

There's currently no good evidence that it's effective as a treatment for health conditions unrelated to the bones and muscles (musculoskeletal system).

When we use a treatment and feel better, this can sometimes happen because of a phenomenon called the placebo effect and not because of the treatment itself.

This means that, although many people treated by osteopaths report good results, it's not always clear how effective the treatment actually is for certain conditions.

FFS, just go to a physio

[JLv3.0]

I had that one the other day - the other half suggesting we take JJ to an osteopath for his colic. Asked her what we should do if he breaks his leg - take him to a barber?

Hang on though:

When we use a treatment and feel better, this can sometimes happen because of a phenomenon called the placebo effect and not because of the treatment itself.

Erm - not sure this applies to not being able to walk, and then being able to walk.

[Rich B]

I had that one the other day - the other half suggesting we take JJ to an osteopath for his colic. Asked her what we should do if he breaks his leg - take him to a barber?

Hang on though:

When we use a treatment and feel better, this can sometimes happen because of a phenomenon called the placebo effect and not because of the treatment itself.

Erm - not sure this applies to not being able to walk, and then being able to walk.

colic is not fun, I’d have paid for snake oil infused magic beans if someone said they might work!

[dinny_g]

You probably know this but

https://uk.iherb.com/pr/Dr-Brown-s-Natu ... lsrc=aw.ds

For colic.

Instantaneous results.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Thankfully we never had a problem with Colic.

But for being able to walk/not walk, I'd still recommend an Osteo, followed by physio. Certainly the one I saw never suggested they'd be able to help with anything other than musculo-skeletal issues!

[Rich B]

You probably know this but

https://uk.iherb.com/pr/Dr-Brown-s-Natu ... lsrc=aw.ds

For colic.

Instantaneous results.

there'll be an NHS link from Rev on this shortly...

[JLv3.0]

I hope so - I was rather looking forward to him losing his shit earlier and he just didn't.

[NotoriousREV]

Thankfully we never had a problem with Colic.

But for being able to walk/not walk, I'd still recommend an Osteo, followed by physio. Certainly the one I saw never suggested they'd be able to help with anything other than musculo-skeletal issues!

I'll carry on just using medical professionals and not bothering with the "alternative therapies".

[NotoriousREV]

You probably know this but

https://uk.iherb.com/pr/Dr-Brown-s-Natu ... lsrc=aw.ds

For colic.

Instantaneous results.

there'll be an NHS link from Rev on this shortly...

Nope. These are fucking lifesavers, no argument from me even though I can't figure out how or why they work.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Thankfully we never had a problem with Colic.

But for being able to walk/not walk, I'd still recommend an Osteo, followed by physio. Certainly the one I saw never suggested they'd be able to help with anything other than musculo-skeletal issues!

I'll carry on just using medical professionals

Like an Osteo then

[NotoriousREV]

Thankfully we never had a problem with Colic.

But for being able to walk/not walk, I'd still recommend an Osteo, followed by physio. Certainly the one I saw never suggested they'd be able to help with anything other than musculo-skeletal issues!

I'll carry on just using medical professionals

Like an Osteo then

Having a degree in an alternative therapy isn't being a medical professional. HTH.

[NotoriousREV]

This was even written by an osteopath:

Training

The training for each profession also differs. We are trained for four years to use our hands, with over 2,000 hours of touch-training. As such, we’ve a highly-developed sense of palpation. Training focuses on musculoskeletal health and osteopaths are well-versed in spinal and joint manipulation. Osteopaths can also specialise in visceral, cranial, women’s health and paediatrics.

Physiotherapists generally train through the NHS for three years. Their rotations include musculoskeletal, neuromuscular, cardiovascular and respiratory training.

Physiotherapist training is often less ‘hands-on’ than osteopathy. Physiotherapists are taught to follow treatment protocols and provide rehabilitative exercise-based treatment. This approach is designed to help get patients back to full fitness after an ‘injury’.

[scotta]

You probably know this but

https://uk.iherb.com/pr/Dr-Brown-s-Natu ... lsrc=aw.ds

For colic.

Instantaneous results.

there'll be an NHS link from Rev on this shortly...

Nope. These are fucking lifesavers, no argument from me even though I can't figure out how or why they work.

Yep we used them as well. They leaked like a bastard though.

[GG.]

You probably know this but

https://uk.iherb.com/pr/Dr-Brown-s-Natu ... lsrc=aw.ds

For colic.

Instantaneous results.

Yep those are good. Our little one barely even needed burping when we switched to these.

[Rich B]

You probably know this but

https://uk.iherb.com/pr/Dr-Brown-s-Natu ... lsrc=aw.ds

For colic.

Instantaneous results.

there'll be an NHS link from Rev on this shortly...

Nope. These are fucking lifesavers, no argument from me even though I can't figure out how or why they work.

So it’s ok if Rev has personally experienced them working!

Other things you may hear about include:

- anti-colic drops and herbal and probiotic supplements
....
But there's very little evidence these things work. Speak to your health visitor for further advice.

[NotoriousREV]

Other things you may hear about include:

- anti-colic drops and herbal and probiotic supplements
....
But there's very little evidence these things work. Speak to your health visitor for further advice.

Which category above would you put those bottles under, Rich?

[Rich B]

Other things you may hear about include:

- anti-colic drops and herbal and probiotic supplements
....
But there's very little evidence these things work. Speak to your health visitor for further advice.

Which category above would you put those bottles under, Rich?

thatll teach me to read beyond the website name and looking at the picture!

[JLv3.0]

Another false start!! COME ON YOU LOT.

[NotoriousREV]

Yep we used them as well. They leaked like a bastard though.

Oh God, you just gave me a flashback to those days. We figured out a very specific way of putting them together that stopped it but it was like a voodoo ritual (like osteopathy )

[Swervin_Mervin]

All osteopaths must be registered with the General Osteopathic Council to be able to practise in the UK.

Osteopaths are trained to degree level attaining either a Bachelor’s (BSc) or Masters of Science (MSc).

Courses typically last four to five years and are a combination of academic, research and over 1,000 hours of hands-on patient-facing clinical training. This intensive medical training equips osteopaths with an in-depth knowledge of anatomy, physiology, psychology and pathology combined with robust clinical examination techniques.

In order to stay on the register of the General Osteopathic Council, you’ll have to maintain your skills and knowledge with continuous professional development (CPD). Requirements for osteopaths include at least 30 hours of CPD every year, of which 15 hours must involve learning with others. CPD can include lectures, seminars, courses, practical sessions, individual study. The Institute offers a range of CPD opportunities.

To practise as a physiotherapist, you must be registered with the Health and Care Professions Council (HCPC). To register with the HCPC, you first need to successfully complete an approved degree level qualification in physiotherapy. This may be a full or part-time course or a degree apprenticeship in physiotherapy. Full time degrees take three years. Part time degrees vary from four to six years.

Courses differ but all involve a lot of practical work with patients.

To get onto a physiotherapy degree course you usually need two or three A levels, including a biological science and/or PE, along with five GCSEs (grades A-C), including English language, maths and at least one science.

A degree standard apprenticeship in physiotherapy has been approved for delivery. To get onto a degree apprenticeship, you will need to apply for an apprentice position with a health care provider. Once you’ve successfully completed a programme approved by the HCPC, you are then eligible to apply for registration with the HCPC. Once registered as a practitioner, you’ll be required to retain your name on the register by keeping your knowledge and skills up to date and paying an annual retention fee.

Both are listed as Allied Health Professions by the NHS. One requires formalised CPD to stay as a practitioner, the other "keeping your skills up to date and paying an annual fee"...

Both have their place