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Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:26 pm
by Simon
OK I'm gonna address the BMW thing. I specifically went to the BMW dealership (amongst others) a few weeks ago with an open mind to see what they had to offer, because yes, a 330/40 or 430/40 would make the most sense. However, in both I found the footwell offset to the right, and consequently I didn't sit 'square' in the drivers seat. It all just felt a bit odd. I could sit lovely and low in the car, and the rest of the driving position was great, but I couldn't get past sitting askew like that in what would a car to do a reasonable amount of miles in for a decent length of time.
And regarding budget, I'm definitely not going to spend all my budget on a C Class when I can pick up an early one that ticks all my boxes for about £18k.
But does anyone have any thoughts what running a C63 for a year would cost? Not a serious long term prospect but it could be a fun thing to own for a while.
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:31 pm
by NotoriousREV
Weird. That's not something I've noticed in our 420. Is it, perhaps, an X-drive thing?
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:33 pm
by Rich B
Simon wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:26 pm
OK I'm gonna address the BMW thing. I specifically went to the BMW dealership (amongst others) a few weeks ago with an open mind to see what they had to offer, because yes, a 330/40 or 430/40 would make the most sense. However, in both I found the footwell offset to the right, and consequently I didn't sit 'square' in the drivers seat. It all just felt a bit odd. I could sit lovely and low in the car, and the rest of the driving position was great, but I couldn't get past sitting askew like that in what would a car to do a reasonable amount of miles in for a decent length of time.
And regarding budget, I'm definitely not going to spend all my budget on a C Class when I can pick up an early one that ticks all my boxes for about £18k.
But does anyone have any thoughts what running a C63 for a year would cost? Not a serious long term prospect but it could be a fun thing to own for a while.
if you’re starting out as a penny-pincher, then a proper performance saloon isn’t for you.
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:34 pm
by JLv3.0
Simon wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:26 pmBut does anyone have any thoughts what running a C63 for a year would cost? Not a serious long term prospect but it could be a fun thing to own for a while.
Paging Andy Bond.............
edit - ignore that, because Rich is right.
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:39 pm
by Simon
NotoriousREV wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:31 pm
Weird. That's not something I've noticed in our 420. Is it, perhaps, an X-drive thing?
Possibly. I just thought it was where the transmission tunnel (gearbox clearance) encroached into the footwell. I'll pop by again at the weekend to see if it was an X-drive car or not - they're only 5 minutes from my house.
And Rich and James: You're right - performance cars should only be purchased by those with a completely carefree attitude to costs, expenses and risks
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:41 pm
by Delphi
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:45 pm
by Rich B
Simon wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:39 pm
NotoriousREV wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:31 pm
Weird. That's not something I've noticed in our 420. Is it, perhaps, an X-drive thing?
Possibly. I just thought it was where the transmission tunnel (gearbox clearance) encroached into the footwell. I'll pop by again at the weekend to see if it was an X-drive car or not - they're only 5 minutes from my house.
And Rich and James: You're right - performance cars should only be purchased by those with a completely carefree attitude to costs, expenses and risks
ok, buy one instead of a 2 litre Mercedes then.
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:51 pm
by JLv3.0
Simon wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:39 pmAnd Rich and James: You're right - performance cars should only be purchased by those with a completely carefree attitude to costs, expenses and risks
That isn't my point at all, nor Rich's
From ACTUAL REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE, my M5 and RS4 have been very expensive to run. I can't speak for Rich and his M3s, but if you're considering a C200, a C63 is not for you.
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:57 pm
by scotta
JLv3.0 wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:51 pm
Simon wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:39 pmAnd Rich and James: You're right - performance cars should only be purchased by those with a completely carefree attitude to costs, expenses and risks
That isn't my point at all, nor Rich's
From
ACTUAL REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE, my M5 and RS4 have been very expensive to run. I can't speak for Rich and his M3s, but if you're considering a C200, a C63 is not for you.
Fuck off...Crazy talk.
NOBODY LISTEN TO THIS MAN!!
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:14 pm
by Rich B
JLv3.0 wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:51 pm
Simon wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:39 pmAnd Rich and James: You're right - performance cars should only be purchased by those with a completely carefree attitude to costs, expenses and risks
That isn't my point at all, nor Rich's
From ACTUAL REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE, my M5 and RS4 have been very expensive to run. I can't speak for Rich and his M3s, but if you're considering a C200, a C63 is not for you.
this is the very origin of the “diesel golf” suggestion for every new car thread. Poster says they want a diesel golf, gets all excited and says they’re going to get an F40.
Then buys a diesel golf.
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:17 pm
by JLv3.0
I think I should clarify my statement above - "if you want a C200, a C63 isn't for you" as it sounds like I'm just saying Simon can't afford it. Of course he can.
It's just the likely running costs will stop him enjoying owning it, whether or not the running costs and / or repairs are in themselves affordable.
For example, Google* B7 RS4 disc and shock absorber prices if anyone needs convincing of this
* or a search engine of your choice, of course
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:20 pm
by NotoriousREV
Simon wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:03 am
Realistically a Golf 7-R estate with the dynamic chassis control (set to comfort most of the time) would be the right fit, but I wasn't overly impressed with the plastics. Respectable but didn't strike me as plush.
This is the right answer. Useable in all weather, fast, well built, very economical given its performance, practical car. The interior is as good as the 3/4 series, in terms of quality but less blingy, but behind the current C Class, imho.
I might be biased, though.
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:33 pm
by Gavin
Given my penchant for ageing Swedes I cannot comment from experience of super saloons and the like but the idea of spending £20k on a C200 gives me the boke. The AMG ones look and sound great, the others look like poverty spec taxis.
Have you considered an S80 V8.......
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:45 pm
by sec
Blimeey! £20 k can get you an almost new mondeo!
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:33 pm
by Mito Man
You’re clearly missing a V8
But it sounds like you should buy the C200 or have a year of regret as you sit in the C63 wondering when it will throw a big bill and analyse every little noise it makes in case it’s about to self-destruct. Like any car in that category the running cost over a year may be nothing more than a service or it can easily throw a mid 4 figure bill. No predicting it.
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:12 pm
by Nic
Have you driven a c43? The tyre scrubbing is a non issue unless you drive everywhere on full lock.
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:31 pm
by Simon
Driven no, but everything I read about all 4-matic cars, (so GLC, C43, E43, E63 etc) and the videos I've seen show the issue. It's not just about the skipping (which can only be 'mitigated by AW tyres) but the associated accelerated tyre wear. Merc themselves released a statement saying that because of the gearbox on RHD cars it means the steering geometry isn't the same as LHD cars. It's a complete bodge. I'd love a C43, seriously, but I couldn't live with such a compromised setup.
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:57 pm
by PreacherCain
Rich B wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:33 pm
if you’re starting out as a penny-pincher, then a proper performance saloon isn’t for you.
This is literally the second-funniest thing I’ve read on the internet all day.
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:01 am
by nuttinnew
Re: What am I missing? £20k ish choice
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:27 am
by JLv3.0
Simon wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:31 pm
Driven no, but everything I read about all 4-matic cars, (so GLC, C43, E43, E63 etc) and the videos I've seen show the issue. It's not just about the skipping (which can only be 'mitigated by AW tyres) but the associated accelerated tyre wear. Merc themselves released a statement saying that because of the gearbox on RHD cars it means the steering geometry isn't the same as LHD cars. It's a complete bodge. I'd love a C43, seriously, but I couldn't live with such a compromised setup.
Drive one and see.
