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Gavster wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:02 am The way I see it is that Russell Brand most likely used his fame, money and charismatic aura to sleep his way around the world, whilst off hit tits. During that time, he probably had a lot of women available and overstepped consensual boundaries at times. So in that respect, yea, I think he probably is guilty. Am I surprised? Not at all. I also doubt any of it was malicious or premeditated.

Will any of this result in a conviction? No.

dinny_g wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:52 am

V8Granite wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:53 am Trial by media, whether he did or didn’t he is done.

Indeed - I do wonder how many of the claims will make it to trial.

As far as his career goes, it doesn’t matter - he’s finished which is the concern.

Rich B wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:27 amis his career over?

dinny_g wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:21 am

Rich B wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:27 amis his career over?

The Wokeariti will turn on him (remember, the accuser should never be required to provide proof. They should be taken at their word) so what does that leave him.

The Alt-Left conspiracy gang??

Rich B wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:43 am

dinny_g wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:21 am

Rich B wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:27 amis his career over?

The Wokeariti will turn on him (remember, the accuser should never be required to provide proof. They should be taken at their word) so what does that leave him.

The Alt-Left conspiracy gang??

ZedLeg wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:59 am

dinny_g wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:21 am

Rich B wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:27 amis his career over?

The Wokeariti will turn on him (remember, the accuser should never be required to provide proof. They should be taken at their word) so what does that leave him.

The Alt-Left conspiracy gang??

You need to stop getting all your lingo from Joe Rogan mate

Gavster wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:53 am

Rich B wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:43 am

Brand just isn't a big enough star these days to be easily cancelled by any one party. He's not on the brink of any multimillion pound movie deals, he's already moved from ever having that potential by solely being on YouTube for the last few years.

duncs500 wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:03 am Really bored of this being front page news already. If he's broken the law, charge him, if he hasn't let's move on.

Ascender wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:00 am Part of the underlying issue in this country though seems to be how allegations of rape are handled by police and courts - it can be difficult for victims to even be taken seriously and the conviction rate is also very low, so often victims just don't come forward in the first place. So maybe it does take something like this for other victims to come forward and speak out.

In this case specifically though, if it's been this much of an "open secret" within comedy circles, how did he manage to continue to get work from large companies. And what does it say about the BBC and C4 etc? The whole super injunction option can also be used, so that doesn't do much to dissuade the notion that if you've got lots of money, you can basically dodge a lot of these things almost indefinitely.

There's definitely something very worrying about trial by media - which has always been the case - but seems to be a whole new level now with the influence of social media.

ZedLeg wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:29 pm I'm amazed that after seeing how many powerful dudes routinely get away with abusing women, people will still be like "why didn't the women say anything?".

Seeing what happened to Amber Heard did a pretty good job of shutting women up too.