Lucy Letby

[IanF]

https://news.sky.com/story/criminals-to ... s-12950752

Bit pointless: How can you punish someone with a whole-life sentence?? I think they should be brought to Court with as much force as required to get them in the dock.

[Gavster]

I think they should have the option of either coming to court, or sitting on their own in a room with a floor-to-ceiling video wall and PA system playing out the victim testimonials and sentencing.

[Jobbo]

Utterly futile. If you force an offender to court and they don't want to be there, they will look the other way or disrupt proceedings.

Nearly as futile as the other recent policy announcement of whole life terms for the most serious offences. Er... that's exactly what Lucy Letby got under the existing laws. So announcing something which already exists... it's just a distraction from everything else which is being mismanaged. Try opening more of the courts up more of the time and funding more court staff, judges and legal aid lawyers; that'll reduce the 2-3 year wait for trial and stop the justice system creaking.

[Beany]

"People rightly expect criminals to face up to the consequence of their actions

I'm pretty sure that's what the sentence itself is for.

I was going to say something else but while I was editing/prviewing it Jobbo made my points way better.

What a complete and utter waste of time, to satisfy the blood lust of fuckwit Daily Mail readers who reckon that if they were in the victims family, they'd have something to say to the offender, etc as they get impossibly redfaced and angry about something that doesn't even affect them.

[Jobbo]

fuckwit Daily Mail

I was particularly impressed that they tried to blame the French for the air traffic control problems yesterday.

[Rich B]

fuckwit Daily Mail

I was particularly impressed that they tried to blame the French for the air traffic control problems yesterday.

Wasn't it down to info sent by a french plane or something? Pretty concerning that a whole system can be taken down by an external factor... that leaves it pretty open to abuse I would have thought.

I flew home yesterday morning - the flight was perfectly on time and there were zero queues at passport control. We got VERY lucky by the sounds of it!

[Beany]

fuckwit Daily Mail

I was particularly impressed that they tried to blame the French for the air traffic control problems yesterday.

Wasn't it down to info sent by a french plane or something? Pretty concerning that a whole system can be taken down by an external factor... that leaves it pretty open to abuse I would have thought.

I flew home yesterday morning - the flight was perfectly on time and there were zero queues at passport control. We got VERY lucky by the sounds of it!

It's basically this

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If NATS gets bad data, it beggars belief that it stops processing flights automatically for almost everything until the problem is solved, rather than, say, simply refusing access to airspace for the aircraft in question to keep it out of NATS area of influence and flagging it with the RAF, or similar.

[Jobbo]

Wasn't it down to info sent by a french plane or something? Pretty concerning that a whole system can be taken down by an external factor... that leaves it pretty open to abuse I would have thought.

As Beany says, our system fucked up. If someone in a control tower had kicked a power lead and it fucked up, it wouldn't be that person's fault, it would be the fault of the people who designed the system. I don't know if they were French though

[Rich B]

Bloody frogs, exploiting our shitty systems for no gain to themselves.

[Beany]

Not the first time NATS has shat itself due to poor data, either. near ten years ago, NATS confirmed a flight data processing system crashed out causing an outage, and sources at the time pointed to poor fallback handling seemingly causing it to replicate the problem on the failover system, leaving it flip-flopping between two broken systems.

https://www.theregister.com/2014/12/12/ ... c_control/

Sounds like a similar problem. Which is absolutely damning. You'd think if anyone could justify the hardware costs for a snapshot-based backups so that bad data doesn't fuck you over, it'd be the the fucking ATC people. It's not like it's a critical system or anything....

[DaveE]

Why are we still surprised when a backup system, that's a direct replica of the primary system gets knocked out in the same way the primary one was?

[jamcg]

Why are we still surprised when a British system turns out to be a bit shit?

[tim]

Nice to see Beany is now an Aviation expert too. We're hiring, if you want a job!

[scotta]

I watched the panorama program on this last night - fuck me.

I wont link - its on iPlayer.

[scotta]

Nice to see Beany is now an Aviation expert too. We're hiring, if you want a job!

What you hiring?

[Beany]

Nice to see Beany is now an Aviation expert too. We're hiring, if you want a job!

I'm afraid that the non-stop, life-critical management of....

*checks notes*

...library management systems takes up too much of my time to donate my skillset - in a charitable manner of course - to the poor, technically-indebted air traffic control sector.

[nuttinnew]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-67006930

[nuttinnew]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... -questions