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I have an estate and I have no intention of buying an SUV.

It cuts both ways though. Even if you don't want an SUV you're pretty much stuffed as the options for anything that isn't a saloon/coupe/convertible/hatch are pretty dire. Non-premium big estates and MPVs with anything but the weediest engines (JDM stuff aside) are thin on the ground.

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:23 pm It cuts both ways though. Even if you don't want an SUV you're pretty much stuffed as the options for anything that isn't a saloon/coupe/convertible/hatch are pretty dire. Non-premium big estates and MPVs with anything but the weediest engines (JDM stuff aside) are thin on the ground.

BMW still make estates. Job done.

They do. But they're rather premium and ugly. All academic for me anyway. Planning/hoping the Galaxy will last until two of the children are out of car seats. Then it'll be replaced with a large estate.

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:37 pm They do. But they're rather premium and ugly. All academic for me anyway. Planning/hoping the Galaxy will last until two of the children are out of car seats. Then it'll be replaced with a large estate.

Not sure if this would be fao you, jobbo or sundayjumper

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:37 pm They do. But they're rather premium and ugly. All academic for me anyway. Planning/hoping the Galaxy will last until two of the children are out of car seats. Then it'll be replaced with a large estate.

I don't see how/why premium is a negative? why wouldn't you want a premium car. If it's cost, just buy a slightly older one - premium cars last well.

Rich B wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:55 pm

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:37 pm They do. But they're rather premium and ugly. All academic for me anyway. Planning/hoping the Galaxy will last until two of the children are out of car seats. Then it'll be replaced with a large estate.

I don't see how/why premium is a negative? why wouldn't you want a premium car. If it's cost, just buy a slightly older one - premium cars last well.

It isn't a negative, but they tend to cost more to buy and/or to run. Buying an older one might negate the first to some extent, but not the second.

Edit: from what I've seen (not a full survey) the premium cars tend to have more sculpted seats which is great for the two in the outer seats, but not for the one in the middle.

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:05 pm

Rich B wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:55 pm

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:37 pm They do. But they're rather premium and ugly. All academic for me anyway. Planning/hoping the Galaxy will last until two of the children are out of car seats. Then it'll be replaced with a large estate.

I don't see how/why premium is a negative? why wouldn't you want a premium car. If it's cost, just buy a slightly older one - premium cars last well.

It isn't a negative, but they tend to cost more to buy and/or to run. Buying an older one might negate the first to some extent, but not the second.

Edit: from what I've seen (not a full survey) the premium cars tend to have more sculpted seats which is great for the two in the outer seats, but not for the one in the middle.

I think you just don't like the image of BMWs.

I'm glad you're here to tell me what I like. I would be so confused otherwise!

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:58 pm I'm glad you're here to tell me what I like. I would be so confused otherwise!

it's fairly obvious!

Is it? How so?

You think BMWs are ugly (whereas the general accepted opinion is they are good looking), you make up weird excuses about sculpted rear seats, you think they're expensive to repair (when the reality is there are so many bmw specialists out there, they're actually pretty cheap to run, etc..

I'll ask you straight out then - do you like BMWs?

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:23 pm It cuts both ways though. Even if you don't want an SUV you're pretty much stuffed as the options for anything that isn't a saloon/coupe/convertible/hatch are pretty dire. Non-premium big estates and MPVs with anything but the weediest engines (JDM stuff aside) are thin on the ground.

Skoda Superb Estate.

Job jobbed.

Rich B wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:04 pm You think BMWs are ugly (whereas the general accepted opinion is they are good looking), you make up weird excuses about sculpted rear seats, you think they're expensive to repair (when the reality is there are so many bmw specialists out there, they're actually pretty cheap to run, etc..

I'll ask you straight out then - do you like BMWs?

I've put a lot of miles on new BMW's and nothing breaks or falls off. They're brill and they drive well/better than their peers.

We've had an older E39 523i which was superb until the wife wrote it off. A snapped rear spring and consumables was all it needed. We're currently running an E90 320d auto (58 plate). Thus far it's been faultless. Changed brake disks and pads, engine flush, oil change, and swapped the filters when we got it nearly 2 years ago and it's due an oil service sometime soon.

Buy well and maintain and they're fine. Parts are fairly cheap and the cars are well engineered so changing stuff is pretty easy even for a numpty like me

Superb would be high on the list when we get to that time.

@Rich B I do like BMWs. A 530e would possibly be a good option also. I don't like some of the modern ones, but I don't think that a unique position.

As for the sculpted seat argument, you try fitting three people (even children) across them comfortably.

I wouldn't say this has particularly sculpted rear seats (530e) however the massive raised driveshaft tunnel wouldn't be comfortable to straddle.

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:55 pm Superb would be high on the list when we get to that time.

@Rich B I do like BMWs. A 530e would possibly be a good option also. I don't like some of the modern ones, but I don't think that a unique position.

As for the sculpted seat argument, you try fitting three people (even children) across them comfortably.

Ditch one of the kids FFS. Car choices made easy

McSwede wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:20 pm

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:55 pm Superb would be high on the list when we get to that time.

@Rich B I do like BMWs. A 530e would possibly be a good option also. I don't like some of the modern ones, but I don't think that a unique position.

As for the sculpted seat argument, you try fitting three people (even children) across them comfortably.

Ditch one of the kids FFS. Car choices made easy

That's an option. Not sure it would be my first though.

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:28 pm

McSwede wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:20 pm

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:55 pm Superb would be high on the list when we get to that time.

@Rich B I do like BMWs. A 530e would possibly be a good option also. I don't like some of the modern ones, but I don't think that a unique position.

As for the sculpted seat argument, you try fitting three people (even children) across them comfortably.

Ditch one of the kids FFS. Car choices made easy

That's an option. Not sure it would be my first though.

It'd be the middle, wouldn't it.

Rich B wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:04 pm You think BMWs are ugly (whereas the general accepted opinion is they are good looking)

Speaking as someone on their 10th BMW, I'm sorry what?! Current BMWs are gipping there isn't a nice looker in the range.