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Mito Man wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:47 pm Out of the box idea.
Record mileage at MOT as usual - charge however much per mile for use based on said mileage.

Disconnect speedo when home from mot

Reconnect speedo the day before the next mot.

What about the first three years?

Jobbo wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:04 pm Simpler just to increase the tariffs on electricity. When the main consumer of electricity is charging EVs then it'll just be built into that.

They’ll just stick a separate meter on the charge point supply and use a different tariff for that surely?

Mito Man wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:47 pm Out of the box idea.
Record mileage at MOT as usual - charge however much per mile for use based on said mileage.

new cars don't need MoTs.

integrale_evo wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:55 pm

Mito Man wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:47 pm Out of the box idea.
Record mileage at MOT as usual - charge however much per mile for use based on said mileage.

Disconnect speedo when home from mot

Reconnect speedo the day before the next mot.

What about the first three years?

Lump sum on collection for the first 3 years - we already essentially had that stupid showroom tax thing up until the Spring didn’t we?

Not sure how easy it is to disconnect the speedo on anything relatively new?

integrale_evo wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:56 pm

Jobbo wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:04 pm Simpler just to increase the tariffs on electricity. When the main consumer of electricity is charging EVs then it'll just be built into that.

They’ll just stick a separate meter on the charge point supply and use a different tariff for that surely?

At first I thought that, but that's of little use if you're using a 3-pin, or charging on-street. Then there's the issue of what do you do about those that can use superchargers for free - could be canny if you live near one and just use that all the time.

It's less straightforward than you'd think.

As Simon says above, GPS tracking is the most logical way to do it.

If new cars are going to be punished with GPS charges along with the turmoil from brexit looming then we may end up like a more
modern version of Cuba. Cars up to model year 2025ish which will all become classics, a deprived economy and hostile relations with our neighbours.

Excellent.

That’s any speeding dealt with straight away and any fun driving stopped if they use an ANPR or GPS based system.

It’s accelerating my car plans as I feared this would come in eventually and essentially wipe out our hobby.

Dave!

NZ kind of do this with diesel cars, rather than red diesel for your tractor or boat there's a surcharge for road use (something like $76 / 1000kms).

I want proper Singapore style road pricing. Driving on the busiest roads at the busiest times should cost more.

simon_g wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:42 pmI want proper Singapore style road pricing. Driving on the busiest roads at the busiest times should cost more.

Penalise those without the choice of flexible hours - nice plan - they're probably all loaded company directors anyway.

Rich B wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:34 pm

simon_g wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:42 pmI want proper Singapore style road pricing. Driving on the busiest roads at the busiest times should cost more.

Penalise those without the choice of flexible hours - nice plan - they're probably all loaded company directors anyway.

I think when road pricing was first mooted 15 years ago this is what they suggested anyway. I'm not saying it's fair but I wouldn't be surprised if this is what they end up with.

According to the official figures there were 356.5 billion miles driven in 2019.

Simply dividing this into the £40 billion of revenue raised from fuel duty and VAT means about 11.2p per mile. However, some of that £40 billion comes from trucks, some from buses etc. and of course they are not switching from all ICE to all electric overnight. There'll be ICE cars on the road for years to come. I suggest an average ppm of 11p at 2030/35 (in today's money), and then for electric vehicles only.

Can we make it 2 quid a mile for tractors?

Sold

That 11.2p a mile means that it will cost me 2.5k extra a year if nothing else changes.

The money isn’t the issue, it’s knowing where you are and when which worries me.

Dave!

mr_jon wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:20 pm Can we make it 2 quid a mile for tractors?

£10 a mile for horses.

£50 a mile for cyclists.

Mito Man wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:25 pm £50 a mile for cyclists.

Doubles if in full lycra replica kit, triples for crap facial hair

JonMad wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:12 pm If they apply it to ICE cars will they remove the tax from fuel, or just double tax you? I can guess the answer to that.

THIS

I hate to say it, but we might have to get Farage on this one lads.