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NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:01 am I can only assume they’re targeting international sales. The commercial 4x4 market in the U.K. is tiny, according to the SMMT, with about 1600 per year being sold.

That can't be right if you're counting Hilux / Rangers / Navara etc

Nathan wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:45 am

NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:01 am I can only assume they’re targeting international sales. The commercial 4x4 market in the U.K. is tiny, according to the SMMT, with about 1600 per year being sold.

That can't be right if you're counting Hilux / Rangers / Navara etc

Tell it to the SMMT. (It’s probably stuff heavier than the Hilux etc. ranges, which plays to Dave’s point about Hiluxes not being heavy duty enough)

Interestingly LR saw a peak in sales as the Defender ran out in 2015/early 2016, up from 17,000 units a year to 23,000 units a year. A key thing to note is the Defender pricing started at £20k, some £10k less than what Ineos want to charge for the base spec cars. I don't see how Ineos can project sales of 20,000-24,000 units when the 'icon' it's specifically aimed at replacing never sold that many units until it was announced it was running out.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/387 ... -by-model/

I'm not saying Ineos haven't done their sums or know their demand but it's hard to see how it'll work.

NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:47 am

Nathan wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:45 am

NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:01 am I can only assume they’re targeting international sales. The commercial 4x4 market in the U.K. is tiny, according to the SMMT, with about 1600 per year being sold.

That can't be right if you're counting Hilux / Rangers / Navara etc

Tell it to the SMMT. (It’s probably stuff heavier than the Hilux etc. ranges, which plays to Dave’s point about Hiluxes not being heavy duty enough)

Disco Commercials? but then that would be too high

TAKE MY MONEY


Now that’s a Defender successor

The rear lights are worse than the new defender but it looks alright apart from that.

V8Granite wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:43 am What will the new Defender Commercial look like ?

Will you be able to add boxes to the body, storage etc. Will there be a pick-up version ?
...

Dave!

The Defender Commercial pictures crack me up, they really haven’t thought through the practicality of loading up a closed roof vehicle with a forklift at a warehouse and then unloading something extremely heavy at the other end by hand in a vehicle enclosed on all sides bar one

Mito Man wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:22 pm The Defender Commercial pictures crack me up, they really haven’t thought through the practicality of loading up a closed roof vehicle with a forklift at a warehouse and then unloading something extremely heavy at the other end by hand in a vehicle enclosed on all sides bar one

First image in It’s better than your 110 and no different to any other style of car like that.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/car ... esses.html

I’ve seen Mercedes congratulate Ineos on the reveal of the Grenadier, I didn’t think they were involved in the project...

I quite like the swb van tbh. I think it might be my favourite variant so far.

It’s what they should have done to the defender about ten years ago.

I’d still take one over the new one which I hate for no real reason other than ‘because’

That swb Defender commercial thing really is a nice looking bit of kit.

Mito Man wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:22 pm The Defender Commercial pictures crack me up, they really haven’t thought through the practicality of loading up a closed roof vehicle with a forklift at a warehouse and then unloading something extremely heavy at the other end by hand in a vehicle enclosed on all sides bar one

Maybe they've got a forklift the other end too.

I can’t see but is that commercial just seats removed or is it an actual flat floor ?

Dave!

V8Granite wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:53 pm I can’t see but is that commercial just seats removed or is it an actual flat floor ?

Dave!

I don’t think there’s pictures of the interior out yet but there’s a picture of a forklift loading a pallet in which suggests it’s at least a partial flat floor.

Rear most windows are panelled, 4 doors still present on the 110.

Having doors still would be a pain.

Dave!

Rich B wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:43 pm Have you seen the price of 2nd hand defenders though? My mate is buying a 16 year old one at the moment for £13k!!!

i saw my mates defender today - it needs some cosmetic changes for taste, but holy moly is it in good condition. It only has 39k miles, zero rust and looking underneath I don’t think it’s ever even seen mud! He bought it from his mechanic, who’s owned it for 5 years. The whole underneath is spotless.

£13k sounds very good value for that mileage and condition.

Looks like it’s had a recent coat of stonechip to tidy it up. You can see the brown shadow on the axle and above the brake pipe bracket where they missed a bit.

integrale_evo wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:45 pm Looks like it’s had a recent coat of stonechip to tidy it up. You can see the brown shadow on the axle and above the brake pipe bracket where they missed a bit.

i expect so - it’s 16 years old!