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GG. wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:03 pm How do people cope on the continent - am I right in thinking they offer E10 and normal E5 95/98 RON (or equivalent) side by side?

We googled the cars and found the answer when we needed to know. E10 was cheaper, so worth spending the time finding out.

DeskJockey wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:13 pm

GG. wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:03 pm How do people cope on the continent - am I right in thinking they offer E10 and normal E5 95/98 RON (or equivalent) side by side?

We googled the cars and found the answer when we needed to know. E10 was cheaper, so worth spending the time finding out.

Ok - but if yours wasn't compatible E5 was still available?

GG. wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:22 pm

DeskJockey wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:13 pm

GG. wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:03 pm How do people cope on the continent - am I right in thinking they offer E10 and normal E5 95/98 RON (or equivalent) side by side?

We googled the cars and found the answer when we needed to know. E10 was cheaper, so worth spending the time finding out.

Ok - but if yours wasn't compatible E5 was still available?

Yes, it was, which is different to what is being proposed. Oldest car we had with us was a 54 plate and that was fine (three years ago), but looking at the website Alfas have to be 2011 or newer to be compatible so there's clearly a wide range.

Rich B wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:54 pm Yeah, they talk about “older” cars - what does that mean in reality?

Ford have stated anything post 1992, except for a late 2000’s Mondeo is E10 compatible. It seems there no hard and fast rule.

I’m curious to know if the car is calibrated for E10, it might be hardware ready but is the ECU going to knock power down to cope?

Orange Cola wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:53 pm

Rich B wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:54 pm Yeah, they talk about “older” cars - what does that mean in reality?

Ford have stated anything post 1992, except for a late 2000’s Mondeo is E10 compatible. It seems there no hard and fast rule.

I’m curious to know if the car is calibrated for E10, it might be hardware ready but is the ECU going to knock power down to cope?

Is this the same as when Tesco 99 (I think it was before it was called momentum) used 10% ethanol or is it a different make up ?

My 500e ran absolutely fine on it but from many tanks I got 50km less again and again.

I’m surprised that the Alfa Romeos don’t want to run on it but I’m presuming that’s a mapping issue and not a component issue?

California changed fuel a long time ago as I remember a lot of hot-rod people complaining of the high ethanol content.

Fuel pipes don’t last the life of the car after all. I changed 2 on Treina’s TT as they were showing signs of cracking and when my car gets overhauled soon all the rubber fuel pipes will be changed as well.

Dave!

Lots of older plastic motorbike tanks will deform with E10, including the one on my Monster. Was common enough in the states (where it was introduced well over a decade ago) for a class action lawsuit over it.

Presumably these will be side by side for ages much like when unleaded was introduced.

I don’t think the additives help either do they.

I’ve needed to use them for years though for garden equipment. Even E5 left in a tank over winter turns to slime in the carb bowl and blocks it up.

Dead.

So this isn’t going to happen ?

Dave!

V8Granite wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:58 pm So this isn’t going to happen ?

Dave!

not for agriculture.

I wonder when the Canals and Rivers Trust is going to start dipping the tanks of narrowboats?

Rich B wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:15 pm

V8Granite wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:58 pm So this isn’t going to happen ?

Dave!

not for agriculture.

Excellent, a sensible decision.

Dave!

Orange Cola wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:28 pm Do we know if new cars are even built to withstand 10% ethanol?

I’m not sure all markets are, so the same car in one market where they sell 10% might be ok but it won’t be in another because the manufacturer has saved the cost of fitting parts which can cope.

Our Mini will run on it, per the sticker inside the fuel filler door

Bump

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/fuel ... 021-launch

So basically put sul in everything.

“Its introduction on UK roads could cut transport carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions by 750,000 tonnes a year – the equivalent of taking 350,000 cars off the road, or all the cars in North Yorkshire.”

I’m good with the Northern Yorkshire proposal.

Just imagine the next lockdown we have with E10 sitting festering in our tanks for months - mechanics will be millionaires by the end of it

mik wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:29 pm “Its introduction on UK roads could cut transport carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions by 750,000 tonnes a year – the equivalent of taking 350,000 cars off the road, or all the cars in North Yorkshire.”

I’m good with the Northern Yorkshire proposal.

I think the North Yorkshire comparison is because the first place they are making it in the uk is 8 miles down the road from me, in North Yorkshire.

Super news to read that SUL won't change.

Yeah, for a few years eh

mik wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:29 pm “Its introduction on UK roads could cut transport carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions by 750,000 tonnes a year – the equivalent of taking 350,000 cars off the road, or all the cars in North Yorkshire.”

I’m good with the Northern Yorkshire proposal.