Today’s want

[nuttinnew]

Needs sunroof or targa but still

[ZedLeg]

I had no interest in Targas until they brought the silver hoop back, it would be my pick for a 992.

[GG.]

Highest failure rate for scoring on 7.1s was with the Tip box as they pull away in second putting extra torque demand on the engine - so chocolate car with chocolate engine. I'd pass.

[ZedLeg]

Apparently it's not risky enough as I'm looking at cheap 996s again.

[Carlos]

Prevalence of major engine failure in M96/97 engines is grossly exaggerated on the internet.

I recall reading a bulletin from an engine builder possibly Hartech that they estimated it to be sub 5% and when you factor in short journey cars and those with lack of or poor maintenance it would be miniscule!

[Sundayjumper]

Apparently it's not risky enough as I'm looking at cheap 996s again.

Do it.

[Jobbo]

There was a Rubystar Porsche 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 in the showroom at the Porsche dealer yesterday. I preferred it to the GT silver 718 Spyder which they had in. I think it's a slightly more vibrant pink than Rubystone on the old 964RS but it's still fapping lovely.

[nuttinnew]

^and no pics?

[Jobbo]

Didn’t take any - there was a Manthey 992 GT3 RS in there too.

[nuttinnew]

[Jobbo]

It’s just off the M5 J9, they’re open to the public if you really want a look.

[jamcg]

[nuttinnew]

[GG.]

Prevalence of major engine failure in M96/97 engines is grossly exaggerated on the internet.

I recall reading a bulletin from an engine builder possibly Hartech that they estimated it to be sub 5% and when you factor in short journey cars and those with lack of or poor maintenance it would be miniscule!

IMS bearing failure causing total failure is reasonably rare - bore scoring much more prevalent.

Of the 996s and 997.1s for sale on autotrader, 45 out of 499 have "rebuild" in the listing so c.9% and that obviously doesn't capture cars that blew and were scrapped as uneconomical to repair (as would be the case with many 996) or are on their way to needing a rebuild.

30 of those 45 are tiptronics out of 254 autos for sale so a failure rate of c.12%.

[ZedLeg]

From £1999999.99 on the Road

[Carlos]

Prevalence of major engine failure in M96/97 engines is grossly exaggerated on the internet.

I recall reading a bulletin from an engine builder possibly Hartech that they estimated it to be sub 5% and when you factor in short journey cars and those with lack of or poor maintenance it would be miniscule!

IMS bearing failure causing total failure is reasonably rare - bore scoring much more prevalent.

Of the 996s and 997.1s for sale on autotrader, 45 out of 499 have "rebuild" in the listing so c.9% and that obviously doesn't capture cars that blew and were scrapped as uneconomical to repair (as would be the case with many 996) or are on their way to needing a rebuild.

30 of those 45 are tiptronics out of 254 autos for sale so a failure rate of c.12%.

You do enjoy an internet argument

If you include the 150 or so 986/986S with zero rebuilds listed and the 220 987 derivatives with only 2 rebuilds in the advert the incidence looks less alarming at circa 5%.

[GG.]

Prevalence of major engine failure in M96/97 engines is grossly exaggerated on the internet.

I recall reading a bulletin from an engine builder possibly Hartech that they estimated it to be sub 5% and when you factor in short journey cars and those with lack of or poor maintenance it would be miniscule!

IMS bearing failure causing total failure is reasonably rare - bore scoring much more prevalent.

Of the 996s and 997.1s for sale on autotrader, 45 out of 499 have "rebuild" in the listing so c.9% and that obviously doesn't capture cars that blew and were scrapped as uneconomical to repair (as would be the case with many 996) or are on their way to needing a rebuild.

30 of those 45 are tiptronics out of 254 autos for sale so a failure rate of c.12%.

You do enjoy an internet argument

If you include the 150 or so 986/986S with zero rebuilds listed and the 220 987 derivatives with only 2 rebuilds in the advert the incidence looks less alarming at circa 5%.

Yes but we're talking about 911s (well Zed was anyway)... there is a correlation between scoring and bore size as the walls become weaker and 2.7s and 3.2s are very much less affected than 3.4s and up.

Also, as I mention above, the number of Boxsters that would have been worth a 10k rebuild rather than scrapped would be fewer than 911s so the scrapped percentage you would expect to be higher.

Were the 2 987s 3.4s / autos out of interest?

[Carlos]

No both manual, a 3.2 and a 3.4.

I appreciate your point that auto's are more prevalent to failure but feel manual well maintained 986/996's are ridiculously cheap and a great deal of this is due to internet folklore.

You look at Honda S2000's and 3l Z3 starting to be coveted and Boxster's are still viewed as shonky!

[nuttinnew]

3l Z3

Is that the Nikasil liner issue? Memory thinks that was the 2.8, but also thinks I never really knew in the first place

[Sundayjumper]

...but feel manual well maintained 986/996's are ridiculously cheap...

Are they ? I looked on Autotrader the other day and ignoring all the undesirables (autos, convertibles, and 4WD ones) the cheapest 996 was £15k. That's about 50% up from a few years ago. And more like £20k for something decent. I don't feel like I'd spend £20k on a 996 (Turbo & GT excepted, obvs).