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JLv3.0 wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:09 am As soon as I saw Dave! had posted my first thought was 'he's going to reference Norway, isn't he'.

Two words in

I could reference the Congo and it would be an improvement on our politics at the minute

Dave!

Agreed being a Brit is shameful right now. I cringe when people from other first world countries ask me about Brexit, for example. Have we discussed Brexit yet, by the way?

I’m hoping Boris doesn’t let me down like last time.

If he doesn’t charge into the EU amputheatre on the back of a British Fresian surrounded by English Bulldogs before smashing a french baguette with a sausage of black pudding I’ll be a bit disappointed.

Dave!

Ah yes - I vividly remember the vast gulf between your aspirations for his behaviour, and the reality of his repulsive awful incompetent lying that should be rewarded by a smiper's bullet between the eyes.

I had a little cry that day for his pathetic backstep.

Dave!

Get used to it mate. He's a fucking maggot.

V8Granite wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:04 am

DeskJockey wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:03 pm

simon_g wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:38 pm
Lots of countries subsidise childcare because it's better than losing productive people who can't afford it. Our eldest did a couple of months of nursery in NZ and it was under half the cost of here.

Friends at home have two children in full-time day care and pay about £400/month. Rest is government subsidy. We pay more for just the little one three days a week.

In Norway it’s about £250 a month per child, that’s a 10 hour day for some as well. Plus the facilities they have are fantastic.

In Norway I can get a 1% or so tax deduction if I have a mortgage, other titbits if I have children etc. That seems like a fair system but it’s world renowned for being hellishly complex as well.

Dave!

Scandinavia is better! And Norway can afford generosity, what with them sitting on the world's largest sovereign wealth fund.

V8Granite wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:18 am British Fresian

All Fresian cows derive from Friesland, a Dutch province.

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:42 am My opinion on income taxation is that personal allowance should go up in line with minimum wage. You shouldn’t pay tax if you’re only getting paid what the government is forcing your employer to pay you.

I have an issue with the government having to top up wages paid by corporations with the in-work benefits. If companies were forced to pay a minimum wage that people could actually live on, then taxpayers wouldn't have to foot the bill, only people who buy things (I'm only semi-trolling with this one, by the way).

I'm not a socialist in the sense of workers should seize the means of production etc., but it's obvious to me that the disparity in wealth distribution is currently not sustainable.

The more you think about money, the weirder a concept it becomes. I wanted to stop working so i had time to think. Now I want a job so I can stop thinking again

NotoriousREV wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:04 am

V8Granite wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:18 am British Fresian

All Fresian cows derive from Friesland, a Dutch province.

These come from Buxton, with a name like Gertrude she is certainly English....

Oh....


Dave!

Oh, absolutely. That companies can pay people poverty wages then rely on the government and charities to makes sure they can actually afford to live is a nonsense.

A real living wage and sensibly taxing where the money is would be the obvious answer but that’s not very likely in a world where people argue that giving tax breaks to a high earning minority is anything but blatant electioneering .

NotoriousREV wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:11 am The more you think about money, the weirder a concept it becomes. I wanted to stop working so i had time to think. Now I want a job so I can stop thinking again

I've a bit of plastering that needs doing...

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:28 am that’s not very likely in a world where people argue that giving tax breaks to a high earning minority is anything but blatant electioneering .

GG. wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:07 pm He should've committed to steady increases and a new law that tax bands move by reference to RPI but obviously that's not a big enough bribe is it!

V8Granite wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:04 am

DeskJockey wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:03 pm

simon_g wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:38 pm
Lots of countries subsidise childcare because it's better than losing productive people who can't afford it. Our eldest did a couple of months of nursery in NZ and it was under half the cost of here.

Friends at home have two children in full-time day care and pay about £400/month. Rest is government subsidy. We pay more for just the little one three days a week.

In Norway it’s about £250 a month per child, that’s a 10 hour day for some as well. Plus the facilities they have are fantastic.

In Norway I can get a 1% or so tax deduction if I have a mortgage, other titbits if I have children etc. That seems like a fair system but it’s world renowned for being hellishly complex as well.

Dave!

Yeah but in Norway they're fairly keen at coming and stealing your children from you if you farted on the wrong day of the week Dave.

Besides, does it really matter where the tax cut/funding goes? Subsidise childcare or cut taxes - depending on where the thresholds are drawn it largely amounts to the same thing

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:44 am

V8Granite wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:04 am

DeskJockey wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:03 pm

Friends at home have two children in full-time day care and pay about £400/month. Rest is government subsidy. We pay more for just the little one three days a week.

In Norway it’s about £250 a month per child, that’s a 10 hour day for some as well. Plus the facilities they have are fantastic.

In Norway I can get a 1% or so tax deduction if I have a mortgage, other titbits if I have children etc. That seems like a fair system but it’s world renowned for being hellishly complex as well.

Dave!

Scandinavia is better! And Norway can afford generosity, what with them sitting on the world's largest sovereign wealth fund.

And where does that sovereign wealth derive from?

So the answer is basically that we should get the frack on with a shale gas industry! Then we'll be rolling in ££££

The money comes from people like me paying 48% tax

Plus a nice 5 series is about 80k

Dave!

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:56 am

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:44 am

V8Granite wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:04 am

In Norway it’s about £250 a month per child, that’s a 10 hour day for some as well. Plus the facilities they have are fantastic.

In Norway I can get a 1% or so tax deduction if I have a mortgage, other titbits if I have children etc. That seems like a fair system but it’s world renowned for being hellishly complex as well.

Dave!

Scandinavia is better! And Norway can afford generosity, what with them sitting on the world's largest sovereign wealth fund.

And where does that sovereign wealth derive from?

So the answer is basically that we should get the frack on with a shale gas industry! Then we'll be rolling in ££££

Not suggesting we should. Merely pointing out they're minted. They've recently started withdrawing investment from fossil fuels.

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:07 am

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:56 am

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:44 am

Scandinavia is better! And Norway can afford generosity, what with them sitting on the world's largest sovereign wealth fund.

And where does that sovereign wealth derive from?

So the answer is basically that we should get the frack on with a shale gas industry! Then we'll be rolling in ££££

Not suggesting we should. Merely pointing out they're minted. They've recently started withdrawing investment from fossil fuels.

Even better. Do it for a bit and build up a nice wedge, then "go green" once you're sat on a big enough pile.

I'm all for it

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:08 am

DeskJockey wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:07 am

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:56 am

And where does that sovereign wealth derive from?

So the answer is basically that we should get the frack on with a shale gas industry! Then we'll be rolling in ££££

Not suggesting we should. Merely pointing out they're minted. They've recently started withdrawing investment from fossil fuels.

Even better. Do it for a bit and build up a nice wedge, then "go green" once you're sat on a big enough pile.

I'm all for it

There is irony in their decision, but hopefully that trillion dollars could help accelerate reducing climate impact.

V8Granite wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:05 am The money comes from people like me paying 48% tax

So Boris should adopt the Norway model and increase tax?