Bye bye Starmer

[DeskJockey]

It will be very emotionally driven I think.

We have a no go area at the rowing lake as there is a hotel full of illegals. The people who live in that area would rightly do want them gone and I believe vote for the group they feel would fix that problem.

Around South Kesteven where I am there is a conservative lady called Alicia Kearns and she is always working, visiting all the towns, always giving updates on issues and seems to be very well liked for doing what the people want. So people vote for her.

Unless we know the issues of the area I don't think it's fair to tar anyone who chooses to vote with any kind of nastiness.

I bet there are areas where a green vote is perfectly logical for that area or them personally, however bastardised I think the party is we don't know everyone's reasoning.

Dave!

Please don't refer to humans as "illegals". It is factually incorrect and dehumanising.

[Rich B]

On the other hand, police brutality is police brutality. It doesn’t matter if the person they’re penalty kicking in the head is a piece of shit or not. They shouldn’t be doing that.

Nothing to do with whether he’s a piece of shit or not, he had not released the knife in his hand. In that situation they have the right to use whatever means necessary UNTIL he is disarmed imo.

While they were kicking him in the head the Jewish security guy was isolating his arm and disarming him. That was the right thing to do.

Jumping on someone’s head isn’t a self defence or control technique. If that was a saturday night fight the video footage would be enough to bump the charge from assault to attempted murder.

The security guy helping could get to his arm because the guy was subdued by being kicked.

[Mito Man]

IMO.

Zach P and green have done a great job of coming across as normal, but i can’t help think they’ll never quite make it because of a few policies which will never be popular, and to be honest will completely preclude many from voting green.

legalising drugs & lowering speed limits

sounds daft, but no one will vote for a party who want to lower motorway speed limits to 55 and make cannabis legal.

Then there’s his recent outcry to the police kicking the guy with a knife who’d just stabbed 2 people. That went down like a shit brick with the majority of the country (including people in the green party).

I think that’s some of their more sensible policies seeing as half the stuff they came up with contradicted itself in reality and would never be achievable

Give specific examples, just stating “stuff” is how we end up in these situations!

The Green Party policy is to make everything better by spending a crazy amount of money on services. They aim to raise this with a wealth tax. They made up some figure for this which wasn’t close to realistic which Polanski eventually admitted. So if they can’t raise sufficient revenue from a new tax, and existing taxes don’t have much headroom either then they’re left to draw in investment for their green energy and welfare from the private sector. Which won’t be easy when they’re not at all aligned with how those large corporations operate.
It’s basically like Labour on steroids and when your country is heavily in debt your ultimate master is the markets.
There’s basic economic misunderstandings in their policy and I think it would be very dangerous to have them in power.

[ZedLeg]

Nothing to do with whether he’s a piece of shit or not, he had not released the knife in his hand. In that situation they have the right to use whatever means necessary UNTIL he is disarmed imo.

While they were kicking him in the head the Jewish security guy was isolating his arm and disarming him. That was the right thing to do.

Jumping on someone’s head isn’t a self defence or control technique. If that was a saturday night fight the video footage would be enough to bump the charge from assault to attempted murder.

The security guy helping could get to his arm because the guy was subdued by being kicked.

I honestly don’t get why the police shouldn’t be kicking people in the head is a controversial statement tbh.

[Rich B]

I honestly don’t get why the police shouldn’t be kicking people in the head is a controversial statement tbh.

Because it’s half a statement.

the police shouldn’t be kicking people in the head unless it’s a last ditch effort to disarm an assailant with a knife who’s stabbed two people and won’t give up the knife even after they’ve already used the only other option they’re given and tasered him.

admittedly it’s not as catchy as yours.

[ZedLeg]

No I meant what I said, the police shouldn’t be kicking people in th head for any reason. Ever.

Like, it’s not softly softly wokism to say that.

I’d rather suspects weren’t killed or given brain damage before they get to court

[Rich B]

i’d rather their weren’t more victims because they couldn’t disarm the ones they tried to catch.

[ZedLeg]

The guy was on the deck with someone sitting on him.

You’re being ridiculous.

[Rich B]

The guy was on the deck with someone sitting on him.

You’re being ridiculous.

With a knife in his hand that he’s already stabbed two people with. Until that knife is out of the way, he could have easily rolled in the commotion and slashed one of the police or the security guy. TOP priority is the remove the weapon by any means necessary.

Obviously we won’t agree on this one, but it demonstrates my initial point pretty well. Zach P got a lot of criticism for basically agreeing with your take on it. and the fact he’s declined to respond to all the criticism, to me seems like he realises his view is deeply unpopular and fighting it will not help his political standing (though staying silent presumably pisses you off?)

[Matty]

No I meant what I said, the police shouldn’t be kicking people in th head for any reason. Ever.

Like, it’s not softly softly wokism to say that.

I’d rather suspects weren’t killed or given brain damage before they get to court

You say "Ever" but isn't that why we have courts to decide on whats reasonable force?

If one of your family members held back on *seriously* injuring a maniac with a weapon and ended up geting seriously injured themselves, would you still hold the same thought?
All I'm saying is it's easy to judge people outside of being in a highly stressful, highly dangerous sitation where survival instincts start to kick in. There's only so much training that can go into that, even as a copper.

[Mito Man]

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[V8Granite]

It will be very emotionally driven I think.

We have a no go area at the rowing lake as there is a hotel full of illegals. The people who live in that area would rightly do want them gone and I believe vote for the group they feel would fix that problem.

Around South Kesteven where I am there is a conservative lady called Alicia Kearns and she is always working, visiting all the towns, always giving updates on issues and seems to be very well liked for doing what the people want. So people vote for her.

Unless we know the issues of the area I don't think it's fair to tar anyone who chooses to vote with any kind of nastiness.

I bet there are areas where a green vote is perfectly logical for that area or them personally, however bastardised I think the party is we don't know everyone's reasoning.

Dave!

Please don't refer to humans as "illegals". It is factually incorrect and dehumanising.

People intimidating women and young people after coming in illegally then.

They are illegals and I won't describe the people I saw as anything different. Listen to what they say, or the primary school kids who were assaulted by similar people 2 years back. They came over illegally, they are illegals.

Dave!

[DeskJockey]

It will be very emotionally driven I think.

We have a no go area at the rowing lake as there is a hotel full of illegals. The people who live in that area would rightly do want them gone and I believe vote for the group they feel would fix that problem.

Around South Kesteven where I am there is a conservative lady called Alicia Kearns and she is always working, visiting all the towns, always giving updates on issues and seems to be very well liked for doing what the people want. So people vote for her.

Unless we know the issues of the area I don't think it's fair to tar anyone who chooses to vote with any kind of nastiness.

I bet there are areas where a green vote is perfectly logical for that area or them personally, however bastardised I think the party is we don't know everyone's reasoning.

Dave!

Please don't refer to humans as "illegals". It is factually incorrect and dehumanising.

People intimidating women and young people after coming in illegally then.

They are illegals and I won't describe the people I saw as anything different. Listen to what they say, or the primary school kids who were assaulted by similar people 2 years back. They came over illegally, they are illegals.

Dave!

The actions of a very few, should not be justified to tarnish them all. Words matter, and dehumanising them is not okay, no matter what you think they've done or they're accused of.

Their actions might be illegal, but that doesn't mean they are.

[dinny_g]

Don’t let your admirable compassion for those who’s lives, by geography, or history, or prejudice are harder than ours take away from the legal fact.

Those who have come here without duly obtained visas , or have an entitlement to live here through various reciprocal arrangements or who qualify as refugees by the UN definition are illegal.

I know this is an uncomfortable truth for some but it doesn’t take away from the reality