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I was more about the DOJ with (again, I’m assuming) actual qualified lawyers standing up in court to argue against birthright of indigenous folk.

ICE, yeah. They also tried raiding a school and were told “no” by the staff and had to wait outside for a grown up to explain what a warrant is.

So Trump sends a military plane with migrants back to Columbia who don't grant it permission to land. Trump gets angry and has immediately imposed a 25% tariff on their goods. Coffee and cocaine is about to get a whole lot more expensive for the Americans.

Also seems like he wants to give all of Gaza to Israel now.

Wonder what Monday will bring!

Ah, no, with Gaza, he wants to 'clean [it] out', based on ethnicity.

I'm sure there's a phrase for that. And he's saying it out loud, by the way.

Edit: For the hard of thinking, he's 'floating' ethnic cleansing as a policy position. You know, the war crime and the press are just going with it.

He's speedrunning the entire process. We had monarchy on day one and "troublesome priest" on day three. We're onto The Crusades now. Next up is Reformation & Civil War. They'll be back to the 1950s - their rose tinted idea of "great" - comfortably in time for Christmas.

Well I'm disappointed as it appears that the Columbian president has backed down already. Says he'll accept migrants on normal civilian flights.
No doubt this will further empower Trump.

Sundayjumper wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:06 pm ...the 1950s - their rose tinted idea of "great"...

(just to spell it out) ...when they'd fairly recently nuked a load of civilians with no repercussions and black people weren't allowed on buses.

Sundayjumper wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:06 pm He's speedrunning the entire process. We had monarchy on day one and "troublesome priest" on day three. We're onto The Crusades now. Next up is Reformation & Civil War. They'll be back to the 1950s - their rose tinted idea of "great" - comfortably in time for Christmas.

If he keeps the pace up Charles face will be on the dollar by June

Uh, no, that's not what I was referring to.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 65507.html

They will do it.

They’re really speedrunning the slide into a xenophobic backwater.

I was reading that crops are already rotting in fields because undocumented pickers have stopped turning up for fear of ICE raids.

ZedLeg wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:03 am They’re really speedrunning the slide into a xenophobic backwater.

I was reading that crops are already rotting in fields because undocumented pickers have stopped turning up for fear of ICE raids.

The farm owners will have almost certainly voted for Trump too, may be about to see their livelihood go down the pan.

Everything is happening at such breakneck speed at the minute that I just don't believe they've had time to calculate the consequences. It feels very much like appeasing his hardline voters with policy without any viability checking. It has the feeling of the wheels coming off sooner rather than later. Not to say he won't just pivot into a war when his ratings plummet.

It appears that the stock market does like a president who just puts on tariffs without thought.
Wonder what all of Trumps billionaire tech mates will think of this if it continues for his whole presidency.

Edit - may have jumped to conclusions early, appears China has made its own ChatGPT type service which costs peanuts to run unlike and all the tech companies are worried.

duncs500 wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:31 am

ZedLeg wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:03 am They’re really speedrunning the slide into a xenophobic backwater.

I was reading that crops are already rotting in fields because undocumented pickers have stopped turning up for fear of ICE raids.

The farm owners will have almost certainly voted for Trump too, may be about to see their livelihood go down the pan.

Everything is happening at such breakneck speed at the minute that I just don't believe they've had time to calculate the consequences. It feels very much like appeasing his hardline voters with policy without any viability checking. It has the feeling of the wheels coming off sooner rather than later. Not to say he won't just pivot into a war when his ratings plummet.

There's been no consequence analysis done, that's not in the game plan as it would suggest that there's a coherent intelligence behind it. There isn't. Project 2025 is driving things and that's not about the price of eggs or whether the poor can afford to live.

Yeah, project 2025 is an attempt to give the christian right hegemony over America for the foreseeable.

Day to day concerns like where people will live or what they’ll eat are secondary.

DeskJockey wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:55 am
There's been no consequence analysis done, that's not in the game plan as it would suggest that there's a coherent intelligence behind it. There isn't. Project 2025 is driving things and that's not about the price of eggs or whether the poor can afford to live.

It's inevitable that there are some bright people in the upper echelons of the unelected government departmental staff. Some people somewhere will be explaining in a tactful way (so as not to get fired for being a non-believer) some of the potential risks and consequences of policy decisions.

In any case, it's clearly being ignored, and in fact they are probably rooting out all the democrat leaning staff (which would be a statistically dominant proportion of the better educated ones).

They should read some history books, many a dictator (possibly even most of them) have fallen due to surrounding themselves with people too frightened or unable to challenge poor decisions.

duncs500 wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:15 am

DeskJockey wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:55 am
There's been no consequence analysis done, that's not in the game plan as it would suggest that there's a coherent intelligence behind it. There isn't. Project 2025 is driving things and that's not about the price of eggs or whether the poor can afford to live.

It's inevitable that there are some bright people in the upper echelons of the unelected government departmental staff. Some people somewhere will be explaining in a tactful way (so as not to get fired for being a non-believer) some of the potential risks and consequences of policy decisions.

In any case, it's clearly being ignored, and in fact they are probably rooting out all the democrat leaning staff (which would be a statistically dominant proportion of the better educated ones).

They should read some history books, many a dictator (possibly even most of them) have fallen due to surrounding themselves with people too frightened or unable to challenge poor decisions.

I agree that there are people with the brains and experience to see what's happening trying to highlight that, but, as you say, it'll fall on deaf ears/nonfunctioning brains.

The scary thought is how much damage they'll manage to inflict before the wheels come off.

One hope is that because it is a personality cult, once he exits the scene the whole thing will come apart and it'll be reduced to fractional infighting and diminished reach.

This is largely what has happened to the Danish People's Party when the charismatic leader stepped away. They're not gone, and ignored at your peril, but they're far less of a force than they used to be (thank goodness).

But the damage wrought will still take decades to repair, as has been said before.

I wonder if he's going to annexe Greenland, like he says he his. He's like Putin with Ukraine. Surely someone will step in and say "Enough, Donny boy. This is a step too far". It's just fucking mental.

DeskJockey wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:29 am But the damage wrought will still take decades to repair, as has been said before.

Assuming it's nothing globally catastrophic, the US having some economic challenges and becoming a little less central to the global economy may not be such a bad thing. At the moment so many nations are reliant on them that they get given a free pass on unacceptable policy, and of course we have the whole "USA is the GREATEST!!!11!!" stuff.

duncs500 wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:51 am

DeskJockey wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:29 am But the damage wrought will still take decades to repair, as has been said before.

Assuming it's nothing globally catastrophic, the US having some economic challenges and becoming a little less central to the global economy may not be such a bad thing. At the moment so many nations are reliant on them that they get given a free pass on unacceptable policy, and of course we have the whole "USA is the GREATEST!!!11!!" stuff.

I agree, that would be a silver lining. But, environmentally and for people living in the US that'll be scant comfort.

DeskJockey wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 12:16 pm

duncs500 wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:51 am

DeskJockey wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:29 am But the damage wrought will still take decades to repair, as has been said before.

Assuming it's nothing globally catastrophic, the US having some economic challenges and becoming a little less central to the global economy may not be such a bad thing. At the moment so many nations are reliant on them that they get given a free pass on unacceptable policy, and of course we have the whole "USA is the GREATEST!!!11!!" stuff.

I agree, that would be a silver lining. But, environmentally and for people living in the US that'll be scant comfort.

Definitely harsh on the 49% (or whatever it is) that didn't vote for him.