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NotoriousREV wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:07 pm

Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:55 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:38 pm The fact that she has a choice to even consider spending £2k per month is a luxury most people would rather enjoy.

the choice between working and being unemployed. Great!

So what does the single working mum of 2 kids on £35k a year do? Genuine question.

indeed - fucked if I know. I assume she relies on family/friends/others for childcare or just has to give up and go on benefits.

She earns more than the average wage though, so shouldn’t moan...

Yeh - to fuck with anyones actual circumstances. If you earn £75k p.a. you're rich! Well done!

Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:11 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:07 pm

Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:55 pm the choice between working and being unemployed. Great!

So what does the single working mum of 2 kids on £35k a year do? Genuine question.

indeed - fucked if I know. I assume she relies on family/friends/others for childcare or just has to give up and go on benefits.

She earns more than the average wage though, so shouldn’t moan...

That wasn't what I said, was it? Don't pretend to be ignorant. I expect if from GG, but you're better than that.

What I said, for those unable to grasp it, is that prioritising tax cuts for those earning in the top 10% over those on lower pay is unconscionable after 11 years of austerity. If £75k woman just relies on family and friends, she's got another £2k per month to live on. She's not struggling: she has the financial means to make a choice. £35k woman doesn't. If you can't see the difference, you're either incapable of basic human empathy, or stupid. Or possibly both.

GG. wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:13 pm Yeh - to fuck with anyones actual circumstances. If you earn £75k p.a. you're rich! Well done!

I said if you're on £75k you're not struggling. Fucking learn to read you stupid cunt.

How the fuck would you know? Its not about what goes in its about whats left over. What if you have fees to an old people's home for your infirm parent's care on top of any costs you may have?

NotoriousREV wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:15 pm

Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:11 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:07 pm

So what does the single working mum of 2 kids on £35k a year do? Genuine question.

indeed - fucked if I know. I assume she relies on family/friends/others for childcare or just has to give up and go on benefits.

She earns more than the average wage though, so shouldn’t moan...

That wasn't what I said, was it? Don't pretend to be ignorant. I expect if from GG, but you're better than that.

What I said, for those unable to grasp it, is that prioritising tax cuts for those earning in the top 10% over those on lower pay is unconscionable after 11 years of austerity. If £75k woman just relies on family and friends, she's got another £2k per month to live on. She's not struggling: she has the financial means to make a choice. £35k woman doesn't. If you can't see the difference, you're either incapable of basic human empathy, or stupid. Or possibly both.

Cool, so if she wants to keep working she HAS to have local family or friends capable and willing to look after her children 5 days a week. Simples!

I think the point of all of this, is a “one size fits all” assumption to what is a decent salary doesn’t really work for all situations or geographical locations. So saying someone is rich because they earn more than the national average is a bit dumb.

I think we all get that though and are getting tied up in specifics.

Exactly the above - that was all I was trying to say - no more. I suggest we all probably leave it there!

NotoriousREV wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:38 pm if we’re talking about “need” after 11 years of austerity, this is not the tax band that should come first.

DIC

Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:21 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:15 pm

Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:11 pm indeed - fucked if I know. I assume she relies on family/friends/others for childcare or just has to give up and go on benefits.

She earns more than the average wage though, so shouldn’t moan...

That wasn't what I said, was it? Don't pretend to be ignorant. I expect if from GG, but you're better than that.

What I said, for those unable to grasp it, is that prioritising tax cuts for those earning in the top 10% over those on lower pay is unconscionable after 11 years of austerity. If £75k woman just relies on family and friends, she's got another £2k per month to live on. She's not struggling: she has the financial means to make a choice. £35k woman doesn't. If you can't see the difference, you're either incapable of basic human empathy, or stupid. Or possibly both.

Cool, so if she wants to keep working she HAS to have local family or friends capable and willing to look after her children 5 days a week. Simples!

Who? £35k or £75k? £35k has to come up with something that doesn't involve £2k per month on nursery fees. £75k can choose. So who is struggling and who has financial options?

GG. wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:17 pm How the fuck would you know? Its not about what goes in its about whats left over. What if you have fees to an old people's home for your infirm parent's care on top of any costs you may have?

What if you're on £35k a year and have fees for an old people's home?

I'll set you a challenge: if you can find me someone on £75k who, through no fault of their own (i.e. not making stupid financial decisions), is choosing to not eat so they can feed their kids instead, or in winter is choosing between food or heating, or is forced to visit a food bank despite being in work then I'll believe you that people on £75k a year are genuinely struggling. Until then, I'll assume you're just massively entitled and condescending.

Remember unemployed NotoriousRedRev has all the time in the world for arguing now....

Yep, you’re right, anyone with a single income of £75k has plenty of money.

NotoriousREV wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:07 pm

Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:55 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:38 pm The fact that she has a choice to even consider spending £2k per month is a luxury most people would rather enjoy.

the choice between working and being unemployed. Great!

So what does the single working mum of 2 kids on £35k a year do? Genuine question.

Agonising over paying £2k per month nursery fees isn't struggling.

Grandparents usually. https://www.ageuk.org.uk/latest-news/ar ... ibilities/

A retired family friend was basically a full-time childminder to her grandkids until the kids were in school - every day would have between one and three kids with them at home.

I have a 4 and 2 year old in full time nursery and even with the free 30 hours for the 4 year old, "tax free childcare" (2k per child per year), wife's NHS discount, etc it's about £2700 a month. That's the entire take-home for a £42k salary. Most nurses or teachers without a partner's salary would have no hope.

Lots of countries subsidise childcare because it's better than losing productive people who can't afford it. Our eldest did a couple of months of nursery in NZ and it was under half the cost of here.

I just enjoy how angry Dave gets, I'll be honest. Again, I just wish I cared about thing as much as he does.

JLv3.0 wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:40 pm I just enjoy how angry Dave gets, I'll be honest. Again, I just wish I cared about thing as much as he does.

ADHD, mate. It's the most interesting thing in the world to me. For an hour or so, then meh

And just like that, the thread loses its fizz

JLv3.0 wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:40 pm I just enjoy how angry Dave gets, I'll be honest. Again, I just wish I cared about thing as much as he does.

DON’T YOU EVEN HAVE ANY FUCKING EMPATHY...AAAARRRRGGGHHIFUCKINGHATEYOUYOURESOFUCKINGWRONGAAAARRRGGGGH!!!!!

Bunch of middle class nerds who think that using Waitrose Essentials is struggling.

Empathy is for people with human emotions This very much counts me out for a start!