OV9

Fecking tease.

Orange Cola wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:31 pm There’s been a step change on this car

Orange Cola wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:08 pm

V8Granite wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:05 pm According to www.automobiledimension.com the boot on the new Defender is only 50 litres smaller than our ML.

Hopefully most dealers have some in stock soon for a nose.

Dave!

Is that a 110 or a 90? Don’t forget there are 3 sizes of defender size it may be prudent to reserve judgement until they’re all out

That was for the 110, 160 litre boot with a 3rd row of seats up. It’s apparently 8mm shorter than our 164ML which would be perfect.

Any longer and we wouldn’t be able to open the rear door unless we drove onto the drive but we don’t like doing that.

Dave!

Orange Cola wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:29 pm I can’t tell you enough how much extra effort has gone into this car

Surely the £100k+ Range Rover deserved that extra effort?

It’s always been the reliability rather than the design where JLR fell down; is that what you’re referring to?

Jobbo wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:44 am

Orange Cola wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:29 pm I can’t tell you enough how much extra effort has gone into this car

Surely the £100k+ Range Rover deserved that extra effort?

It’s always been the reliability rather than the design where JLR fell down; is that what you’re referring to?

To me the new Defender is a styling exercise that HAS to be great off road. It will not be used like the old one and can’t be used like the old one was simply down to its construction. I don’t expect to see many cherry picker 2020 Defenders. If I’ve got that wrong I will be incredibly pleased though!!!!

I look at it like the old D3 (did they do a 4?) commercial where it can go off road, can withstand mud and crap inside and clean up ok, will be great at towing and look cool.

Dave!

I very much doubt that many of these DEFENDERS will be bought by the M.O.D

I'd happily try one but I do think that owning such an expensive off-road toy would prove too frustrating for the enthusiast however capable they are.

Strangely, unlike the old model, I think reliability will be key to their success. That and the shameless exploitation of brand heritage.

V8Granite wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:51 am

Jobbo wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:44 am

Orange Cola wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:29 pm I can’t tell you enough how much extra effort has gone into this car

Surely the £100k+ Range Rover deserved that extra effort?

It’s always been the reliability rather than the design where JLR fell down; is that what you’re referring to?

To me the new Defender is a styling exercise that HAS to be great off road. It will not be used like the old one and can’t be used like the old one was simply down to its construction. I don’t expect to see many cherry picker 2020 Defenders. If I’ve got that wrong I will be incredibly pleased though!!!!

I look at it like the old D3 (did they do a 4?) commercial where it can go off road, can withstand mud and crap inside and clean up ok, will be great at towing and look cool.

Dave!

I see they have commercial versions listed on the website for launch later in the year.

I read in some mag that the old Defender did well with commercial operators and overseas especially as it was sold tax free for £12,000 a unit and eventually up to £18,000 as production ended - le peanuts.
I can’t recall the details exactly but I think for a long time the exports stuck with the older engines as the fuel was so bad in some countries and the MOD had issues with the newer engines giving off too much electrical noise which couldn’t be surpressed.

Doubt we’ll see the new one in such action packed roles due to the price but then again those kind of people say the only decent Land Rovers were pre TD5 as anything with electronics will rape your dog and give you aids.

Orange Cola wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:31 pm

dan wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:29 pm I saw one driving through Bromsgrove with the prototype vehicle sticker on the bonnet too, looked alright.

I know you’re ex-JLR

Not really, I was only there for 8 months as a contractor before I got so bored I had to leave. My proper job was construction.

Orange Cola wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:29 pm

Mito Man wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:11 pm That’s pretty cool, you testing the prototypes?

Designed a decent part of it, now on to customer car “we have to get this right” mode I can’t tell you enough how much extra effort has gone into this car and how proud I am. I’ve this evening just won an award for my part of the design. Depending on the press embargo I might be able to spill some more especially as I’ve spent a lot of time in serious life or death anger (and worked on) the old one too, so I feel as though I’m in a unique position with regards to both designs.

Sounds promising, really looking forward to the (thankfully inevitable) Harry review on this one because personally I love the look of it and really like the idea of them having a hit on their hands.

dan wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:47 pm

Orange Cola wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:31 pm

dan wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:29 pm I saw one driving through Bromsgrove with the prototype vehicle sticker on the bonnet too, looked alright.

I know you’re ex-JLR

Not really, I was only there for 8 months as a contractor before I got so bored I had to leave. My proper job was construction.

That place has a bungee cord attached to it!

ShockDiamonds wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:25 pm

Orange Cola wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:29 pm

Mito Man wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:11 pm That’s pretty cool, you testing the prototypes?

Designed a decent part of it, now on to customer car “we have to get this right” mode I can’t tell you enough how much extra effort has gone into this car and how proud I am. I’ve this evening just won an award for my part of the design. Depending on the press embargo I might be able to spill some more especially as I’ve spent a lot of time in serious life or death anger (and worked on) the old one too, so I feel as though I’m in a unique position with regards to both designs.

Sounds promising, really looking forward to the (thankfully inevitable) Harry review on this one because personally I love the look of it and really like the idea of them having a hit on their hands.

I hope you’re right!

Jobbo wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:44 am

Orange Cola wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:29 pm I can’t tell you enough how much extra effort has gone into this car

Surely the £100k+ Range Rover deserved that extra effort?

It’s always been the reliability rather than the design where JLR fell down; is that what you’re referring to?

Latter.

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nuttinnew wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:29 pm?

The reliability

I still think they look awful. A cross between a Kia Soul and a yeti with a 1st gen BMW mini clubman rear end stuck on.

Incidentally, saw a current gen disco the other day with a central rear numberplate instead of the spazzy offset one. The car looked otherwise completely standard so not sure whether it was aftermarket or they've had a word with themselves and done a quiet facelift?

mik wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:44 pm

nuttinnew wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:29 pm?

The reliability

Yebut...the latter of the two is design
For sure the (hope and) assumption reliability

integrale_evo wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:58 pm I still think they look awful. A cross between a Kia Soul and a yeti with a 1st gen BMW mini clubman rear end stuck on.

Incidentally, saw a current gen disco the other day with a central rear numberplate instead of the spazzy offset one. The car looked otherwise completely standard so not sure whether it was aftermarket or they've had a word with themselves and done a quiet facelift?

‘Urban’ mod according to the spotted thread.

integrale_evo wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:58 pm I still think they look awful. A cross between a Kia Soul and a yeti with a 1st gen BMW mini clubman rear end stuck on.

HIC

mik wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:44 pm

nuttinnew wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:29 pm?

The reliability

If that’s the thing they’ve really worked on, it’s not the first road tests which will demonstrate it. I don’t remember JLR products ever being accused of unreliability in their launch road tests. It’s over time that issues arise, like with Ingenium diesel DPFs.