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I really like older Alpinas, there was an E21 3 series for sale a wee while ago that was lovely. Modern ones less so as there's less of a gap between them and cooking BMW models than there used to be imo.

Rich B wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:13 pm

V8Granite wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:06 pm

Rich B wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:52 am So might be a tiny bit better if you have piles.

I’ve driven quite a few cars that simply don’t work on fenland roads, the worst being a BMW 120d M, I bounced my head off the roof.

Audi S5 was another.

The piles are more of a pain on cattle grids.

Dave!

my M2 is surely firmer than a 120d - I've not had any issues with comfort!

I reckon it isn’t in comfort mode. I’ve only been in the first gen 1 series and that made my Mito feel like a S Class.
My 645 is way firmer than the M5/M6 because it doesn’t have adaptive suspension and back when it had run flats it was twice as bad.
I’d vouch that almost any M car has a better ride quality than the base model version because sticking an overweight car on passive steel springs with low profile tyres is just a shit combo.

Mito Man wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:26 pm

Rich B wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:13 pm

V8Granite wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:06 pm

I’ve driven quite a few cars that simply don’t work on fenland roads, the worst being a BMW 120d M, I bounced my head off the roof.

Audi S5 was another.

The piles are more of a pain on cattle grids.

Dave!

my M2 is surely firmer than a 120d - I've not had any issues with comfort!

I reckon it isn’t in comfort mode. I’ve only been in the first gen 1 series and that made my Mito feel like a S Class.
My 645 is way firmer than the M5/M6 because it doesn’t have adaptive suspension and back when it had run flats it was twice as bad.
I’d vouch that almost any M car has a better ride quality than the base model version because sticking an overweight car on passive steel springs with low profile tyres is just a shit combo.

M2 comp doesn't have adaptive suspension - no comfort mode here!

My E92 M3 had adaptive, but I just ran it on hard.

The 120d MSport wasn't that bad. The 1er had a rep for being a bit bouncy at the back end, but by and large it was fine. I read lots of moaning about the stiffness of the E90/91 MSport before I bought one - it's positively Citroen-like compared to the 197 I had before it.

The runflats were terrible.

My wife's 320d M sport on run flat 19s is plenty comfortable too. I just don't get why people want/need such soft suspension on their cars before they can deem them "usable".

I wasn't sure how the M2's suspension fits-in to the BMW adaptive range of comfort/sport/sport plus, but I guess the M3 is also a few hundred kg heavier which will affect things as well.

Rich B wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:33 pm My wife's 320d M sport on run flat 19s is plenty comfortable too. I just don't get why people want/need such soft suspension on their cars before they can deem them "usable".

Piles.

Jobbo wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:10 pm

Rich B wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:33 pm My wife's 320d M sport on run flat 19s is plenty comfortable too. I just don't get why people want/need such soft suspension on their cars before they can deem them "usable".

Piles.

Are runflats radial piles, or cross-pile tyres?

Pre-pneumatic.

Rich B wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:33 pm My wife's 320d M sport on run flat 19s is plenty comfortable too. I just don't get why people want/need such soft suspension on their cars before they can deem them "usable".

It's probably connected to half the forum turning 50 this year.

Rich B wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:13 pm

V8Granite wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:06 pm

Rich B wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:52 am So might be a tiny bit better if you have piles.

I’ve driven quite a few cars that simply don’t work on fenland roads, the worst being a BMW 120d M, I bounced my head off the roof.

Audi S5 was another.

The piles are more of a pain on cattle grids.

Dave!

my M2 is surely firmer than a 120d - I've not had any issues with comfort!

It’s not about comfort, it’s about dealing with roads and the S5 and 120 just ran out of travel and compliance. It’s ok being able to go quick but if you have to hold on or get big thumps through the seat then it isn’t suited to it.

E39 M5 was fantastic on the roads around here but a newer 530 sport was ok up to the point you were hitting the bump stops.

This isn’t me saying the m3 estate will be anything but fantastic but firm suspension isn’t always that great.

Dave!

Most of my daily drivers have been / are on coilovers

Then I bought a big barge on air suspension. Still some way off 50.

I’ve always thought alpinas were cool, but never really ‘got’ them. Made more sense in the past when the M cars were all manual, and alpina offered similar performance but with more grunt and a slush box rather than revs and precision.

I heard many new runflat equipped cars will be sold with recently-introduced spring technology incorporating a lower haemorrhoidal rigidity. Combining these with lower-density bum-stops makes all the difference, although the replacement schedule for the latter increases to bi-anally.

mik wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:46 pm I heard many new runflat equipped cars will be sold with recently-introduced spring technology incorporating a lower haemorrhoidal rigidity. Combining these with lower-density bum-stops makes all the difference, although the replacement schedule for the latter increases to bi-anally.

lol

ZedLeg wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:13 pm I really like older Alpinas, there was an E21 3 series for sale a wee while ago that was lovely. Modern ones less so as there's less of a gap between them and cooking BMW models than there used to be imo.

There's some very nice older Alpinas out there.

* goes to AT and Classic Cars * That's the next hour sorted...

mik wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:46 pm I heard many new runflat equipped cars will be sold with recently-introduced spring technology incorporating a lower haemorrhoidal rigidity. Combining these with lower-density bum-stops makes all the difference, although the replacement schedule for the latter increases to bi-anally.

lower density bum-stops are definitely a concern amongst our aging population.

What we need is a 45 profile tyre for all!!

Dave!

I recently saw a new Alpina B3 Touring in china grey with black decals and thought it looked quite nice.. never been a fan of the decals before.

V8Granite wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:59 pm What we need is a 45 profile tyre for all!!

Dave!

50 profile. Or 55 profile for Denton.