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Another one. <sigh>

And the wheels look shit.

The interior is even worse.

I hope that was an absolutely fucked up basket case with a seized engine only fit for scrap before they started. Otherwise absolute sacrilege and heresy of the worst kind.

Saw a Dino driving through Redondi yesterday.. very pretty

IanF wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 10:15 am Saw a Dino driving through Redondi yesterday.. very pretty

A healthy Dino V6 is a lovely thing - you’d be mad to rip it out.

Latest passenger EV experience - Mercedes EQE.

Ride quality much better. I expect it is on air? Still not as good as an S class. More refined but maybe slightly more jiggly than an E.

Main problem though is that on account of the battery skateboard thing there is NO footwell. The floor feels like it is about 6 inches below the seat base and the backrest is upright. Same deal as the Jag iPace so altogether still not a decent car to be passengered in and presumably that was one of the key use cases

GG. wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:44 am Latest passenger EV experience - Mercedes EQE.

Ride quality much better. I expect it is on air? Still not as good as an S class. More refined but maybe slightly more jiggly than an E.

Main problem though is that on account of the battery skateboard thing there is NO footwell. The floor feels like it is about 6 inches below the seat base and the backrest is upright. Same deal as the Jag iPace so altogether still not a decent car to be passengered in and presumably that was one of the key use cases

My business partner's EQC 400 rides better than the Teslas that I've been in. Weighing 2500kg probably helps! He rarely gets more than 200 miles out of it though, which I couldn't be bothered with in something that is a family car. He's managed to bend a driveshaft with too many fast launches...

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electr ... rt-ps22995
Renault 5 fully spec'd will cost £29,000. Looks decent and priced well with a decent battery unlike the Honda E which was destined to fail.

Mito Man wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:21 pm https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electr ... rt-ps22995
Renault 5 fully spec'd will cost £29,000. Looks decent and priced well with a decent battery unlike the Honda E which was destined to fail.

Nice. But all limited to 93mph (150kph). <sigh>

(Mrs mik's E-Tron is limited to 124mph (200kph) but FFS)

Yeah, I think the Alpine version goes a bit faster but don't think it's particularly worth paying £9k for a marginally faster car.

mik wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:27 pm

Mito Man wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:21 pm https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electr ... rt-ps22995
Renault 5 fully spec'd will cost £29,000. Looks decent and priced well with a decent battery unlike the Honda E which was destined to fail.

Nice. But all limited to 93mph (150kph). <sigh>

(Mrs mik's E-Tron is limited to 124mph (200kph) but FFS)

It's not much of an issue though really is it? The opportunity to do over that is getting smaller, it's not much fun - even less so in a small car - and most won't ever be in the hands of anyone interested in doing so, and they're predominantly going to be used in urban areas one would imagine.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:43 pm It's not much of an issue though really is it? The opportunity to do over that is getting smaller

Agree. Although using that logic, it's not really needed either.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:43 pm it's not much fun - even less so in a small car

Wot? Disagree (track or private road obvs)

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:43 pm and most won't ever be in the hands of anyone interested in doing so

Huh? An R5 ModTro? Disagree (track or private road obvs)

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:43 pm and they're predominantly going to be used in urban areas one would imagine.

With that range, I don't see any reason that they'd be used in urban areas only?

Looks great, the interior is cool, performance ok but top speed is an issue for a fun drive.

Certainly Renault nailing it design wise though.

Dave!

mik wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:50 pm

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:43 pm It's not much of an issue though really is it? The opportunity to do over that is getting smaller

Agree. Although using that logic, it's not really needed either.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:43 pm it's not much fun - even less so in a small car

Wot? Disagree (track or private road obvs)

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:43 pm and most won't ever be in the hands of anyone interested in doing so

Huh? An R5 ModTro? Disagree (track or private road obvs)

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:43 pm and they're predominantly going to be used in urban areas one would imagine.

With that range, I don't see any reason that they'd be used in urban areas only?

I obviously used to drive everywhere at 90+mph in my old Clios, but would struggle to do so today. And there were few occasions where that was much fun, especially compared to threading down some decent roads at speeds more like 60-70 tops, and on the twistier stuff that was more suited to a small car those speeds would have been less. It's a bit like the uproar at the 50 "average" limit introduced on the Cat & Fiddle years ago, and yet for the most part you'd probably struggle to break a 50 average on most sections unless you were absolutely hanging it all out there.

Would you hit that speed much on a track? There can't be many where you're getting up to those speeds in anything vaguely normal before you hit a bend.

I think the Alpine version is limited to 105mph. Not an issue for road use as I don't go that fast on the public road but somehow I still find it a bit annoying.

I don't know why it's limited unless it makes development costs a lot more affordable?

Holley wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 3:28 pm I think the Alpine version is limited to 105mph. Not an issue for road use as I don't go that fast on the public road but somehow I still find it a bit annoying.

I don't know why it's limited unless it makes development costs a lot more affordable?

They can cheap out on other areas. Smaller brakes, less battery and motor cooling. Other shortcoming will also not be as obvious such as high speed stability, sound deadening. It's still alright for a city car, and it still looks quite brick shaped so I can't imagine it'll get far at 90+

Mito makes a good point in general terms. A lot of modern car's performance is redundant and just adds unnecessary costs and complexity

The limiter will make a difference to insurance too I imagine