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I'm heading over soon to see if I can take the white Alfa mito owned by someone called ian but nicknamed Harry record

I've got a solid chance at the Blue e39 on 16s with integral child seats and 235,000 miles record.

Completely unverifiable "hand timed" 7:23...... If true that'll make the Porsche look extremely silly.

So what happened to Tesla not having any slots at the ring? A lot of BS in the car news reporting world it seems...

Mito Man wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:02 pm So what happened to Tesla not having any slots at the ring? A lot of BS in the car news reporting world it seems...

it sounds like they didn’t (and didn’t even know they needed one), but they managed to get a 30min slot.

As for hand timed times, presumably they know they aren’t allowed to do timed whole runs, so it’s probably made up of several parts - which combining into one long run is half the challenge for electric cars I thought.

I’d still take the Taycan over the Model S “S”.

NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:22 pm I’d still take the Taycan over the Model S “S”.

Once you've been spanked for performance though you're left with "feel" & "interaction" which Lotus have been attempting to turn into a business plan for some time now.

RobYob wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:45 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:22 pm I’d still take the Taycan over the Model S “S”.

Once you've been spanked for performance though you're left with "feel" & "interaction" which Lotus have been attempting to turn into a business plan for some time now.

There’s a reason more people bought 911s than Dodge Vipers, though.

NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:21 pm

RobYob wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:45 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:22 pm I’d still take the Taycan over the Model S “S”.

Once you've been spanked for performance though you're left with "feel" & "interaction" which Lotus have been attempting to turn into a business plan for some time now.

There’s a reason more people bought 911s than Dodge Vipers, though.

Without a doubt, but if Tesla can compete on performance and price and arguably "badge" then that stacks up well against Porsche for driveability and potentially quality.

Very very healthy competition though.

The biggest let down for Teslas is the interior quality. They don’t feel like a 6 figure car inside, whereas the Porsche will.

A bit of competition is good for everyone, I expect even Porsche would acknowledge that Tesla helped open the door for cars like the Taycan.

Rich B wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:38 pm A bit of competition is good for everyone, I expect even Porsche would acknowledge that Tesla helped open the door for cars like the Taycan.

They have

""Anyone who's trying to go there to see how you're doing, we have great respect for. We love the competition. It's their business. We respect them. They've prepared many markets for electric cars."

linky

So with the "Plaid" powertrain at least a year away have Porsche got time for a quick Taycan Turbo S x50 pack

Rich B wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:38 pm A bit of competition is good for everyone, I expect even Porsche would acknowledge that Tesla helped open the door for cars like the Taycan.

Not the first time I've read this, but I don't agree. I think performance electric cars would've happened anyway. All Tesla has done is grab some early share of the inevitable market.

Ok.

RobYob wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:30 pm Without a doubt, but if Tesla can compete on performance and price and arguably "badge" then that stacks up well against Porsche for driveability and potentially quality.

Really ???

dinny_g wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:01 pm

RobYob wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:30 pm Without a doubt, but if Tesla can compete on performance and price and arguably "badge" then that stacks up well against Porsche for driveability and potentially quality.

Really ???

I remember seeing their quality scores a few years ago, a lot of owners still love them even though in terms of raw quality numbers they're not great, very similar to Porsche actually...

"Owner satisfaction" #1 and reliability 27th link

well then state "Quality" and not Badge

I think Tesla has some work to do before the Tesla "Badge" is on a par with Porsche. Winning Le Mans would be a good start for example

See my edit above, Tesla rank #1 in ownership surveys despite poor reliability. So however you describe it the owners love their vehicles is spite of problems.

I imagine there's a niche of customers that value the Tesla tech halo at least as much as Porsches heritage.

No one I know but I think they're out there.

Simon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:49 pm

Rich B wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:38 pm A bit of competition is good for everyone, I expect even Porsche would acknowledge that Tesla helped open the door for cars like the Taycan.

Not the first time I've read this, but I don't agree. I think performance electric cars would've happened anyway. All Tesla has done is grab some early share of the inevitable market.

And arguably brought the tech and ideology on decades quicker than it might otherwise have. As well as having made EVs commercially attractive for the mass market rather than a few weirdos

Tesla has forced the hands of the car makers by proving that the market and the technology were ready and waiting. They’ve very successfully kick started the mainstream EV market.