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Matt_N wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:58 pm

Gwaredd wrote: Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:44 pm See, I don't see the point on a road bike. It's a piece of piss to maintain a good speed on the road. 16mph through the trees is a different story though.

16mph isn't really a good speed on a road bike though is it, that's beginners pace really.

I think that's exactly what he wasn't saying

Read it again.

JLv3.0 wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:02 pm

Matt_N wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:58 pm

Gwaredd wrote: Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:44 pm See, I don't see the point on a road bike. It's a piece of piss to maintain a good speed on the road. 16mph through the trees is a different story though.

16mph isn't really a good speed on a road bike though is it, that's beginners pace really.

I think that's exactly what he wasn't saying

Read it again.

Talking about maintaining a good speed on the road and then referencing it to 16mph through the trees.

Of course it's a piece of piss to maintain 16mph on a road bike, try maintaining a decent speed though. Power is power, it may take 250w to bash through the trees, that 250w on the road would probably translate to 22/23mph. The expended effort is the same, speed and distance vastly different.

Matt_N wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:09 pm

JLv3.0 wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:02 pm

Matt_N wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:58 pm

16mph isn't really a good speed on a road bike though is it, that's beginners pace really.

I think that's exactly what he wasn't saying

Read it again.

Talking about maintaining a good speed on the road and then referencing it to 16mph through the trees.

Of course it's a piece of piss to maintain 16mph on a road bike, try maintaining a decent speed though. Power is power, it may take 250w to bash through the trees, that 250w on the road would probably translate to 22/23mph. The expended effort is the same, speed and distance vastly different.

they're all limited though - road or MTB, they won’t assist past 15.5mph .

Matt_N wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:09 pm

JLv3.0 wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:02 pm

Matt_N wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:58 pm

16mph isn't really a good speed on a road bike though is it, that's beginners pace really.

I think that's exactly what he wasn't saying

Read it again.

Talking about maintaining a good speed on the road and then referencing it to 16mph through the trees.

Of course it's a piece of piss to maintain 16mph on a road bike, try maintaining a decent speed though. Power is power, it may take 250w to bash through the trees, that 250w on the road would probably translate to 22/23mph. The expended effort is the same, speed and distance vastly different.

OK I'm lost.

Anyone?

This is quite the thread for people very slightly missing everyone else’s point, isn’t it?

Shut up Dave, he wasn't even using SPDs!

Yeah, they roll better.

But I like broccoli!

Matt_N wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:58 pm

Gwaredd wrote: Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:44 pm See, I don't see the point on a road bike. It's a piece of piss to maintain a good speed on the road. 16mph through the trees is a different story though.

16mph isn't really a good speed on a road bike though is it, that's beginners pace really.

I fear I'm losing my sanity here, so let me try and compare the above exchange to the below:

Matt : "James, how fast does your Land Cruiser go?"

James : "well about 120 mph on the road, but say 50 mph tops in the sand"

Matt : "but 50 mph on the road is nothing"

Is that close?

Welshy only mentioned one speed though, but two terrains. Pretty clear.

More like

Gwaredd: “I’ve got an old Series Land Rover that’s pretty slow on the road as it will only do 50mph but it’ll also do 50mph through a forest which feels pretty fast”

Matt: “50mph on the road isn’t fast”

Matt_N wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:58 pm

Gwaredd wrote: Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:44 pm See, I don't see the point on a road bike. It's a piece of piss to maintain a good speed on the road. 16mph through the trees is a different story though.

16mph isn't really a good speed on a road bike though is it, that's beginners pace really.

16mph is pretty good to go up hills whilst expending minimum effort. On the way down or on the flat you can do a lot more, you can even do more than 15.5 uphill - but it's up to you and your legs.

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about how these work. If you are not sure, ask me.

It seems a pretty simple concept to understand, actually.

Mito Man wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:20 am It seems a pretty simple concept to understand, actually.

I feel very dirty, but I MMIC.

What a lot of people miss when talking about the 15.5mph cut off assist, is that after that, it turns into a normal bike, so you can pedal faster if you want to. However, due to the increased weight & the fact that on most (if not all to a greater & lesser extent), you are still turning some part of the motor/gearbox so there is added resistance. This can make it much harder to attain higher speeds.

Thus me not seeing the point on a road bike (and when I say road bike, I mean 1990's racer style bike) as you're much more likely to be riding over 15.5mph on the flat than you are on a mountain bike.

Gwaredd wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:24 pm What a lot of people miss when talking about the 15.5mph cut off assist, is that after that, it turns into a normal bike, so you can pedal faster if you want to. However, due to the increased weight & the fact that on most (if not all to a greater & lesser extent), you are still turning some part of the motor/gearbox so there is added resistance. This can make it much harder to attain higher speeds.

You turn it off and the resistance disappears. It's still a bastard heavy bike mind you.

Turns out my parents bought two Brompton-style bikes, and they are very good fun! There's a gentle hill near them and cycling up or down it requires the same effort to maintain speed. The fact they are folding and have a low slung frame means anyone from my 9yo daughter to 72yo dad can use them; I can see the appeal.

NotoriousREV wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:03 pm

GG. wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:57 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:51 pm If you have to explain the joke...

This one is rooted in reality though

Maybe Jamie Oliver will ban eBikes. Y'know, because he wants people to eat healthily.

I thought he'd said heartily. This would explain a lot!

Had a blast on my mates Specialized lenovo yesterday & wierdly, I didn't like it. It felt lumpy & when you tried to give it some welly, it felt like it was pushing back trying to stop you. Go figure.

I bought this at the weekend. I fucking love it. Absolute hooligan of a bike and makes me grin riding it even on the driveway, can't wait to take out into the woods a bit soon.