Broccers wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:09 pm
"They dont want to" more like it
Lots of people think this
Is Parliament prorogued today btw
The backstop was put forward by the UK, how does this translate to being a trap? Genuine question, not trying to antagonise but would be good to have āthe other sideā explained on this one.
Edit to add: just so Iām not called out as being a remainers, I get the second point.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:27 am
by speedingfine
Broccers wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:50 pm
Watch the 2 hours yourself.
Let us know your thoughts
I watched it when it came out. All that I really saw was the EU's bemusement at our negotiating team being a a bunch of bumbling twats. They felt really quite sorry for us. As a slice of reality about the EU's position, it's very good, seemingly access all areas.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:44 am
by Jobbo
Broccers wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:01 pm
Its quite astounding the smears coming out. Our Boris handled the BBC really well this morning. In a hospital, talking about positives, the interviewer was only interested in this none story. Piers got schooled on ITV this am too.
The smears youāre talking about - do they relate to the meetings between Arcuri and Johnson which were omitted from his mayoral diary but which he disclosed last night, only an hour after the extended deadline given for doing so?
Iām sorry, secret meetings followed by Ā£126k of public money being given to her business is more than a smear.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:49 am
by Gavin
I am not sure why anyone bothers arguing with Broccers anymore. He is either an extremely talented troll or a moron. I am genuinely not sure which.
Has anyone yet come out with a positive outcome for Brexit? Maybe a good reason to commit economic suicide and speed up the break up of the Union?
The rumour that we had approached and tried to bribe a sovereign government to veto our own extension request I find horrendous. HTF have we been left with a parliament that lets these arseholes get away with this, not to mention the money Johnson back handed to his lady friend.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:57 am
by Broccers
Yes Gavin I'm a moron.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:13 am
by NotoriousREV
Broccers wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:57 am
Yes Gavin I'm a moron.
Broccers wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:57 am
Yes Gavin I'm a moron.
Seconded
Some things are just too easy...
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:52 am
by NotoriousREV
I tried but I couldnāt resist. Sorry Broccers.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:55 am
by Mito Man
Gavin wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:49 am
I am not sure why anyone bothers arguing with Broccers anymore. He is either an extremely talented troll or a moron. I am genuinely not sure which.
Has anyone yet come out with a positive outcome for Brexit? Maybe a good reason to commit economic suicide and speed up the break up of the Union?
The rumour that we had approached and tried to bribe a sovereign government to veto our own extension request I find horrendous. HTF have we been left with a parliament that lets these arseholes get away with this, not to mention the money Johnson back handed to his lady friend.
The worst thing about Johnsonās friend with benefits is that she appears to be his sister in all but blood
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:01 am
by scotta
NotoriousREV wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:52 am
I tried but I couldnāt resist. Sorry Broccers.
#notsorry
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:10 am
by Swervin_Mervin
NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:32 pm
I remember discussing the backstop when it first appeared and I said I didnāt see what was so onerous. GG pointed out that a legal agreement with no end date that requires the full agreement of both parties to end meant one party could end up trapped in it against their will. Surely, then, the answer is a time-limited backstop with the option to extend with the agreement of both parties? Or is that too easy?
"The EU are said to be prepared to make a major concession on Boris Johnson's Brexit deal by paving the way for the Northern Ireland assembly to leave a new Irish backstop after an unspecified number of years. "
NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:32 pm
I remember discussing the backstop when it first appeared and I said I didnāt see what was so onerous. GG pointed out that a legal agreement with no end date that requires the full agreement of both parties to end meant one party could end up trapped in it against their will. Surely, then, the answer is a time-limited backstop with the option to extend with the agreement of both parties? Or is that too easy?
"The EU are said to be prepared to make a major concession on Boris Johnson's Brexit deal by paving the way for the Northern Ireland assembly to leave a new Irish backstop after an unspecified number of years. "
Make perfect sense. Itās really the only way forward on a deal from here, I think.
NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:32 pm
I remember discussing the backstop when it first appeared and I said I didnāt see what was so onerous. GG pointed out that a legal agreement with no end date that requires the full agreement of both parties to end meant one party could end up trapped in it against their will. Surely, then, the answer is a time-limited backstop with the option to extend with the agreement of both parties? Or is that too easy?
"The EU are said to be prepared to make a major concession on Boris Johnson's Brexit deal by paving the way for the Northern Ireland assembly to leave a new Irish backstop after an unspecified number of years. "
Make perfect sense. Itās really the only way forward on a deal from here, I think.
If true it should weed out whether No.10 are truly playing hardball for a deal or pushing towards no-deal.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:31 pm
by Swervin_Mervin
And now it's revealed by Sassoli that he's meeting with the Speaker of the HoC to discuss how to prevent a No Deal. So much for impartiality.
Just another sign that this is going to get a lot, lot worse before the dust hopefully eventually settles.
