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Jobbo wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:15 pm All the polls are saying it's too close to call. I don't see any merit in making a prediction but I do think after the election the outcome will be more decisive than it looks right now, and we'll wonder why we couldn't see that.

I can still remember going to bed 8 years ago safe in the knowledge that no matter what happened, at least there was no way Trump would win. It'll all be fine...

Everything I'm seeing online, from videos through to sentiments really makes me believe that Trump will edge it. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

After the disgusting comments on the “Nazi “ rally, the way the media did a play on words, showed pics of the famous Rally there in the 30s and linked them together. I hope Trump takes it, a nasty nasty bit of news coverage.

Also my curiosity of why so many famous types are endorsing Harris makes me wonder what is their motivation

Dave!

Not that much of a stretch, when his own running mate described him as “America's Hitler”…

Remember, he only got described as a Nazi after he ran for president, before then most people liked him.

I won’t stay up for it but hope to see something before I leave for work tomorrow.

Dave!

All a bit of a storm in a teacup, we didn’t exactly witness a second holocaust during his first term did we?

V8Granite wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:36 pm Remember, he only got described as a Nazi after he ran for president, before then most people liked him.

Before then, everyone thought he was a weird letchy old man who hung around with sex traffickers and rapists…

Mito Man wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:46 pm All a bit of a storm in a teacup, we didn’t exactly witness a second holocaust during his first term did we?

Tell that to Ukraine.

V8Granite wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:34 pm Also my curiosity of why so many famous types are endorsing Harris makes me wonder what is their motivation

Maybe they were besties with Epstein.

Oh no. Wait. That was your guy

He isn’t my guy, I just think he will be better than her.

He is apparently going to release the Epstein list so will be an interesting read if he does.

Dave!

Simon wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:56 pm

Mito Man wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:46 pm All a bit of a storm in a teacup, we didn’t exactly witness a second holocaust during his first term did we?

Tell that to Ukraine.

So Trump started the Ukraine war?
Bit far fetched, but ok.

The thing I find hardest to get my head round is how many people in the states still support him despite him being clearly being shown to the be the detestable excuse for a human that he is. It’s proved he’s a sex pest, they don’t waver, it’s proved he’s a liar on countless occasions, they don’t waver, he incites an attack on the capitol, essentially trying to instigate civil war, they don’t waver.


WHATS WRONG WITH THEM??

V8Granite wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:13 pm He isn’t my guy, I just think he will be better than her.

He is apparently going to release the Epstein list so will be an interesting read if he does.

Dave!

Like he was gonna release his tax returns, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_retur ... nald_Trump

Some flavour to his 'epstien list' schtick

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 57866.html

Tasha Dixon was 18 when she competed in the Miss USA pageant, winning the state crown.

“Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half naked changing into our bikinis,” Ms Dixon told CBS.

“He just came strolling right in. There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Other girls were naked.”

She added that people who worked for Mr Trump “pressured” the women to “fawn over him, go walk up to him, talk to him, get his attention” while still not fully dressed.

Ms Dixon added the situation made them feel awkward and physically vulnerable.

Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant also said the Republican used to walk in. Some of the girls were as young as 15.

Pretty much every accusation from him is an admission.

Simon wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:56 pm

Mito Man wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:46 pm All a bit of a storm in a teacup, we didn’t exactly witness a second holocaust during his first term did we?

Tell that to Ukraine.

Hang on - I think you're timelines are getting a bit out of whack there... the annexation of crimea was 2014 and the world (including the US) did nothing. That was during Obama's second term so (although Trump didn't diverge on that (two years after the fact)) you have to chalk inaction down to Barry on that one. The full scale invasion of Ukraine started in '22 when Biden was in office.

The biggest active foreign policy mistake in the past decade is absolutely without question, Biden's hamfisted withdrawal from Afghanistan which has allowed a reign of tyranny to re-assert itself.

I think what you might be saying is Trump's assertion that he will solve the Russo-Ukranian conflict whilst vaguely implying that would include territorial concessions?

Zonda_ wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:19 pm The thing I find hardest to get my head round is how many people in the states still support him despite him being clearly being shown to the be the detestable excuse for a human that he is. It’s proved he’s a sex pest, they don’t waver, it’s proved he’s a liar on countless occasions, they don’t waver, he incites an attack on the capitol, essentially trying to instigate civil war, they don’t waver.


WHATS WRONG WITH THEM??

Maga weirdos aside the common people being interviewed associate voting Trump in with how the economy was in 2016. Lower taxes, cheaper fuel, cheaper bills, lower inflation, nil interest rates, affordable houses.

V8Granite wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:13 pm He is apparently going to release the Epstein list so will be an interesting read if he does.

Yeah. It’ll be the same day he releases his healthcare plan, coincidentally, the same day I walk on Mars having arrived there on a flying pig.

I’ve asked you this before, I’ll ask again - where are you getting this pro-trump nonsense from ? All I can think of is that you hang around on some US heavy machinery forums ?

GG. wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:23 pm I think what you might be saying is Trump's assertion that he will solve the Russo-Ukranian conflict whilst vaguely implying that would include territorial concessions?

... and there's no issue with that? His stated intent to diminish support for Ukraine is the single biggest issue in European terms. I can see how if one was from the US that you might shrug at that and decide you care more about paying less tax than European stability (or just how self serving / immoral he is), but I can't imagine why anyone who actually lives in Europe would be favour that outcome.

The situation is like there’s a choice between a shit sandwich that’s laced with broken glass and doused in arsenic, or some mashed potato, and a surprising number of people reject the mashed potato because they’re not sure whether it’ll have precisely their preferred type of seasoning.

duncs500 wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:38 pm

GG. wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:23 pm I think what you might be saying is Trump's assertion that he will solve the Russo-Ukranian conflict whilst vaguely implying that would include territorial concessions?

... and there's no issue with that? His stated intent to diminish support for Ukraine is the single biggest issue in European terms. I can see how if one was from the US that you might shrug at that and decide you care more about paying less tax than European stability (or just how self serving / immoral he is), but I can't imagine why anyone who actually lives in Europe would be favour that outcome.

No I didn't say that - I was trying to clarify what the point was. Mito said first term and the response shifted the timeframe of reference to, I think, a criticism of recent pronouncements.

Ukraine losing the Donbas and Crimea in a settlement that ended the war would certainly be a bitter pill to swallow. It is of course only a difference of minor degrees to what Obama (and the West generally) tacitly did in not objecting to the annexation of Ukraine - i.e. hoping it would avert further war.

The problem is the two other options are letting the war drag on interminably with Russia bullying the smaller country (clearly not a great 'win') or growing a remarkably bigger pair of balls that has been shown so far and fully arming Ukraine with all available weaponry. That onus, from a geopolitical perspective should fall on European heads at least as heavily as the US but the key European players are run by a set of shabby socialists who won't fund defence capability (including the UK) so the willingness to go down that route does not seem to be there, e.g. secede territory or let death continue are the available options. You take your preferred poison.