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The wife's Grandma passed away overnight, in Brazil. Not Coronavirus related maybe, but the wife is devastated as the virus means that we can't travel out there to see the family.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the average time for a person to be on a ventilator in icu was 3-4 days, with corona the average is 11-21 days

Sorry to hear that [mention]Simon[/mention].

My wife’s friend is a trauma doc in London and is pretty panicked about what she’s seeing and says things are going to get a lot worse before they get any better based on what she’s seen these last few days.

It’s a real shit show

Italy with the hammering they have taken are on 10,000 deaths so far, our best case scenario predicts 20,000.
Then you’ll have a generation of doctors and nurses with mental health problems which will be a lifetime problem.

Really sorry to hear that Simon...

As long as it's southerner's it's all OK, hun?

Of course RIP to ppl who are directly effected.

Mito Man wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:12 pm It’s a real shit show

Italy with the hammering they have taken are on 10,000 deaths so far, our best case scenario predicts 20,000.
Then you’ll have a generation of doctors and nurses with mental health problems which will be a lifetime problem.

Bullshit.

I'm not saying that they're not doing a difficult job, of course they are. But when you look at the numbers..

2017/18 there were apparently 50,000 excess winter deaths in England & Wales due to the predominant strain of flu not being in the vaccine that year. Before that 2014/15 when there were 43,000 deaths due to it. 1975/76 was the worst in recent times with 58,000 odd.

They just get on with it as it's behind closed doors. The difference here is that the system will be seen to fail due to the short timescale of events/capacity and that can't be allowed to happen because people will lose faith in the system.

At some future point, someone may add up just what it has cost to keep a number of predominantly older, sick people alive a bit longer during this pandemic. I'd imagine that on average it's going to be well outside current NHS parameters for return on investment/value for money.

I'm not judging here. But saying docs will get PTSD from watching folk die is nonsense imho. The real stress here is coming from the hype.

Yeah you’re right, it’s not like they’re up there with the highest suicide rate are they.

Girlfriend's Dad died on Monday. He went in with corona symptoms but tested negative. Died a few days later, they had a look over him again and concluded it was pneumonia.

Arranging a funeral at the moment is an absolute fucking nightmare. Current attendance is expected to be three for a 30 minute slot at a local crematorium Only thing we can do is get that formality over and then have a proper bash for him once this virus business is all over, whenever that'll be. He was the kind of guy that would say 'The situation is what it is, don't worry, just give me proper send off in a few months' but she's gutted she can't do a proper funeral for him now.

Mito Man wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:36 pm Yeah you’re right, it’s not like they’re up there with the highest suicide rate are they.

will this change that?

Mito Man wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:36 pm Yeah you’re right, it’s not like they’re up there with the highest suicide rate are they.

I have no idea. Why do you think an entire generation of them is suddenly going to get mentally ill though?

That was a sarcastic comment, nurses and doctors have the highest suicide rates. They also have the highest PTSD rates, especially those working in trauma. It was just something which came to mind after reading that 2 nurses in Italy committed suicide.
It’s not something that’s going to get better that’s for sure.

Mito Man wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:45 pm It was just something which came to mind..

No shit.

240PP wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:37 pm Girlfriend's Dad died on Monday.

Sorry to hear that. Especially during this difficult time.

Thanks Mike and Dinny, and sorry to hear about your GF's Dad 240pp.

Sorry for tour loss [mention]Simon[/mention], we’re in a similar situation just now.

My grandad is being isolated in a hospital in Arizona after having stroke. We weren’t sure if he was going to pull through and were gutted that we might not be able to say goodbye but he’s still going so hopefully he makes it to the medevac.

Whether we’ll be able to see him if/when he gets home is another story.

Trump is setting himself up for a fall and unfortunately at the cost of lives.

Sorry for your losses Simon, 240pp.

evostick wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:52 pm

240PP wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:37 pm Girlfriend's Dad died on Monday.

Sorry to hear that. Especially during this difficult time.

Yeah echo that. Condolences..

Simon, 240pp; I'm sorry to hear that, my condolences


ZedLeg; I hope things work out ok.