Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:26 pm
I’m asking something completely different to what you’ve answered?
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Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:32 pm
Annual EU grant would’ve bought one for a farmer but...Ascender wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:23 pm The 90 on steelies in green looks the business! I know this is the new Defender, but are the army and farmers going to buy it (or be able to afford it?) for tooling around the great outdoors? Or will it just be the latest must-have for the school run?
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:33 pm
It’s not a snorkel, it’s a raised air intake.Jobbo wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:25 pmI notice the snorkel has no effect on the wading depth as well. Wonder if that's due to the mounting locations of key electrical items?Mito Man wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:53 pm It’s now a monocoque chassis so it would be quite difficult to turn it into a pick up wouldn’t it?
It has 85 different ECUs so god bless the future owners who have them out of warranty
I’ve just watched the video and the middle seat is very surprising, I didn’t think they would be able to do that and it works well by the looks of it.
Dave!
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:38 pm
Definitely not with air suspension and various computers.Ascender wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:23 pm The 90 on steelies in green looks the business! I know this is the new Defender, but are the army and farmers going to buy it (or be able to afford it?) for tooling around the great outdoors? Or will it just be the latest must-have for the school run?
I think the last Defender was still the 300tdi and everything newer has been stuff like the Ocelot. I’m not sure they still use the WMIk etc.
Dave!
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:39 pm
Oh yeah maybe so, sadly that delineates the exact point I totally lose interest in the discussiMito Man wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:26 pmI’m asking something completely different to what you’ve answered?
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:58 pm
I'd been looking at sub-10K 90s recently to have something I can take to the hills, chuck wet muddy dogs in the back of and be decent off-road. Which seems to be things that the old one excels at...
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:17 pm
I’d rather have a £2k XJ Cherokee.Ascender wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:58 pm I'd been looking at sub-10K 90s recently to have something I can take to the hills, chuck wet muddy dogs in the back of and be decent off-road. Which seems to be things that the old one excels at...
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:21 pm
And this one.Ascender wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:58 pm I'd been looking at sub-10K 90s recently to have something I can take to the hills, chuck wet muddy dogs in the back of and be decent off-road. Which seems to be things that the old one excels at...
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:22 pm
Never having a Cherokee again after the troubles we had with our one.NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:17 pmI’d rather have a £2k XJ Cherokee.Ascender wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:58 pm I'd been looking at sub-10K 90s recently to have something I can take to the hills, chuck wet muddy dogs in the back of and be decent off-road. Which seems to be things that the old one excels at...
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:25 pm
Troubles you say? Perfect for Rev!Ascender wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:22 pmNever having a Cherokee again after the troubles we had with our one.NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:17 pmI’d rather have a £2k XJ Cherokee.Ascender wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:58 pm I'd been looking at sub-10K 90s recently to have something I can take to the hills, chuck wet muddy dogs in the back of and be decent off-road. Which seems to be things that the old one excels at...
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:37 pm
What’s a couple of broken axles between friends?
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:13 pm
So it turns out it doesn't look like a Kia Soul, it looks like a Honda Element 
David Undercoffler (@autolist_dave) Tweeted:
Guys I really like the new Honda Element. https://t.co/kW2jJ2vjdK
(I still want one though)
David Undercoffler (@autolist_dave) Tweeted:
Guys I really like the new Honda Element. https://t.co/kW2jJ2vjdK
(I still want one though)
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:38 pm
I havent seen any negative press on this. Despite it being easy to spend > £65k on 4-smasher versions. Looks like LR are onto a winner (after ruining the Disco).
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:05 pm
Nah, he's clutching at straws there, it looks a bit like it if you've only got one eye and it's dark. Typical behaviour, people can't bear it to be be good.speedingfine wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:13 pm So it turns out it doesn't look like a Kia Soul, it looks like a Honda Element
David Undercoffler (@autolist_dave) Tweeted:
Guys I really like the new Honda Element. https://t.co/kW2jJ2vjdK
(I still want one though)
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:13 pm
My Grand Vitara has a wading depth of two and a half feet; this has a wading depth of under three feet. And the new Defender has air suspension to raise it substantially. Could do better (and yes, I appreciate it’s not for wading Dave; so how can the wading depth be improved?)Orange Cola wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:29 pmIt floats if you go any deeper!Jobbo wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:25 pmI notice the snorkel has no effect on the wading depth as well. Wonder if that's due to the mounting locations of key electrical items?Mito Man wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:53 pm It’s now a monocoque chassis so it would be quite difficult to turn it into a pick up wouldn’t it?
It has 85 different ECUs so god bless the future owners who have them out of warranty
I love it, I think they’ve really hit the nail on the head with this one.
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:56 am
The only thing stopping the pre TD5 defenders going any deeper were axle and gearbox breathers. £40 later and you have a wading depth of a metre.
Your feet will get wet mind you.
Dave!
Your feet will get wet mind you.
Dave!
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:49 pm
Helps that the car itself starts adding mass by filling the Chassis and interior with waterV8Granite wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:56 am The only thing stopping the pre TD5 defenders going any deeper were axle and gearbox breathers. £40 later and you have a wading depth of a metre.
Your feet will get wet mind you.
Dave!
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:50 pm
900mm is pretty impressive for off the shelf off road cars, maybe it’s not the Defender that’s a disappointment but Suzuki have just done a decent job on the Vitara?Jobbo wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:13 pmMy Grand Vitara has a wading depth of two and a half feet; this has a wading depth of under three feet. And the new Defender has air suspension to raise it substantially. Could do better (and yes, I appreciate it’s not for wading Dave; so how can the wading depth be improved?)Orange Cola wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:29 pmIt floats if you go any deeper!Jobbo wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:25 pm
I notice the snorkel has no effect on the wading depth as well. Wonder if that's due to the mounting locations of key electrical items?
I love it, I think they’ve really hit the nail on the head with this one.
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:53 pm
Anyone who thinks 900mm of water isn't a lot has never been confronted with 900mm of water to drive through. Trust me - it's plenty. Not far off waist height on me......
Re: 2020 LR Defender
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:58 pm
I did about 700mm in a RRS (requote away) on the Land Rover Experience. They arent going to risk the cars, so I went in knowing we would be able to make it, but it was still a dry-throat moment.JLv3.0 wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:53 pm Anyone who thinks 900mm of water isn't a lot has never been confronted with 900mm of water to drive through. Trust me - it's plenty. Not far off waist height on me......