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Just because some group has used one well known phrase for their lingo, doesn't mean everyone else should stop using it, especially when many others don't know the link.

I’m not saying people should stop using it. I understand that there are other uses.

However a lot of people who have seen this tweet have read it the same way I have. Including one of the Matrix’s creators and thousands of people in the comments and it’s gross.

Just another example of Musk’s embarrassing obsession with being a Middle Aged edgelord.

ZedLeg wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 2:00 pm Middle Aged edgelord.

Oh ffs

Maybe I am too online

Wtf is an edge lord. Honestly this is as bad as some of those twitch chat words the youngsters use.

People who amuse themselves by telling each other offensive jokes and trolling people mostly.

Trying to reinvent themselves as freedom of speech advocates after that Scottish guy got convicted of a crime for releasing a video of his nazi dug.

Simon wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 1:49 pm Just because some group has used one well known phrase for their lingo, doesn't mean everyone else should stop using it, especially when many others don't know the link.

It’s all about context. You can tell someone to go home. But you can also use it to be massively racist. And that’s what people who use these phrases rely on. They can pass it off as being innocent to those that don’t know, but it sends a clear message to those “in the know”. Personally, I think given Musk’s current politics and state of mind, I’ve absolutely no doubt whatsoever that he’s dog whistling to the alt-right.

NotoriousREV wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 3:02 pm

Simon wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 1:49 pm Just because some group has used one well known phrase for their lingo, doesn't mean everyone else should stop using it, especially when many others don't know the link.

It’s all about context. You can tell someone to go home. But you can also use it to be massively racist. And that’s what people who use these phrases rely on. They can pass it off as being innocent to those that don’t know, but it sends a clear message to those “in the know”. Personally, I think given Musk’s current politics and state of mind, I’ve absolutely no doubt whatsoever that he’s dog whistling to the alt-right.

Absolutely.

What are the chances that an internet-literate, alt-right-leaning figure with a history of provocative tweets, and just days after calling the Californian lockdown "facist" and threatening to reopen the Tesla factory, tweeted a well-known extremist (misogynistic/alt-right/neo-facist) trope, versus the chances of it being an innocent reference to a 30-year-old film?

To claim it's innocent is directly analogous to defending a major political figure do a straight arm salute on the basis that it was used by many organisations prior to the 1930s.

ZedLeg wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 12:53 pm Google exists lads

So do dictionaries and I don't refer to either on the off chance that something that makes no sense may be offensive.

If I have to go and find the offence using Google then is it, or is not offensive?

Nefarious wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 4:26 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 3:02 pm

Simon wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 1:49 pm Just because some group has used one well known phrase for their lingo, doesn't mean everyone else should stop using it, especially when many others don't know the link.

It’s all about context. You can tell someone to go home. But you can also use it to be massively racist. And that’s what people who use these phrases rely on. They can pass it off as being innocent to those that don’t know, but it sends a clear message to those “in the know”. Personally, I think given Musk’s current politics and state of mind, I’ve absolutely no doubt whatsoever that he’s dog whistling to the alt-right.

Absolutely.

What are the chances that an internet-literate, alt-right-leaning figure with a history of provocative tweets, and just days after calling the Californian lockdown "facist" and threatening to reopen the Tesla factory, tweeted a well-known extremist (misogynistic/alt-right/neo-facist) trope, versus the chances of it being an innocent reference to a 30-year-old film?

To claim it's innocent is directly analogous to defending a major political figure do a straight arm salute on the basis that it was used by many organisations prior to the 1930s.

WTF? I know I am old but I am pretty sure I was in my late teens or even early twenties when it came out!

Gavin wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 4:29 pm

ZedLeg wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 12:53 pm Google exists lads

So do dictionaries and I don't refer to either on the off chance that something that makes no sense may be offensive.

If I have to go and find the offence using Google then is it, or is not offensive?

Years ago I implemented a web filter system that came with a dictionary of offensive terms. I had to look several up, but that didn’t stop them being offensive to those they were aimed at. It’s a ridiculous assertion that something can’t be offensive just because you as an individual needs to look it up.

Gavin wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 4:29 pm

ZedLeg wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 12:53 pm Google exists lads

So do dictionaries and I don't refer to either on the off chance that something that makes no sense may be offensive.

If I have to go and find the offence using Google then is it, or is not offensive?

What are you talking about?

I’m not talking about being offended. The meaning of all these terms you’re all claiming bafflement over are a 10 second google search away.

Honestly I think middle aged men complaining about everyone being offended now use the word more than anyone else

I’ve learnt some good stuff here so fair play. I still don’t think it’s is anything to do with some anti-feminism men’s rights group, so that led me off down a random path. but I do (now) 100% agree it’s a political statement.

I am however removing the phrase “edgelord” from my brain.

ZedLeg wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 4:32 pm

Gavin wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 4:29 pm

ZedLeg wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 12:53 pm Google exists lads

So do dictionaries and I don't refer to either on the off chance that something that makes no sense may be offensive.

If I have to go and find the offence using Google then is it, or is not offensive?

What are you talking about?

I’m not talking about being offended. The meaning of all these terms you’re all claiming bafflement over are a 10 second google search away.

Honestly I think middle aged men complaining about everyone being offended now use the word more than anyone else

Now that’s offensive.

NotoriousREV wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 4:32 pm

Gavin wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 4:29 pm

ZedLeg wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 12:53 pm Google exists lads

So do dictionaries and I don't refer to either on the off chance that something that makes no sense may be offensive.

If I have to go and find the offence using Google then is it, or is not offensive?

Years ago I implemented a web filter system that came with a dictionary of offensive terms. I had to look several up, but that didn’t stop them being offensive to those they were aimed at. It’s a ridiculous assertion that something can’t be offensive just because you as an individual needs to look it up.

FFS, I meant to me! And it was ever so slightly sarcastic. As in, if I read a random tweet, like the one here and have no idea as to it's meaning, go google it to see what it means, I am saying, should I then be offended by it?

What point is it you’re trying to make here, [mention]Gavin[/mention]? No one is telling you what to be offended by. But if people are offended by something, then that’s also up to them. There’s lots of things I don’t personally find offensive but understand when others do.

Again, this is the entire point of the dog whistle; make it easily arguable that something is not offensive.

Zed said "google" to find out what the terms meant.

If I had to go looking in order to know why it was offensive should I then, assuming I just thought "Oh Musk talking shite as usual" and just scrolled on, then I would not personally be offended.

I was taking the piss out of people who go out of their way to be offended on behalf of others, and pointing out how bloody complicated the thread had become trying to follow all the random new meanings to words.

I am getting more and more confused the longer this goes on though.

To be completely clear though, it was a passing comment, not an attempt to make a point.

“Offended on behalf of others”. Do you mean being “an empathetic human being and aware of the feelings of other people”? Do you consider that to be a bad thing?

NotoriousREV wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 5:27 pm “Offended on behalf of others”. Do you mean being “an empathetic human being and aware of the feelings of other people”? Do you consider that to be a bad thing?

In all my posts on this forum and it's predecessor what on earth would make you ask that, other than your own innate need for argument and conflict?

I am talking about people who go looking for offence where none was taken nor intended and who take false umbrage.