Southport

[Gavster]

chatGPT is fucking clever - has anyone thought to ask it for the solution?

It's got more to say on the subject than Beany although largely sounds like policy manifesto waffle:

1. Enhance Asylum Processing Efficiency

• Increase Resources: Allocate more resources to the Home Office to speed up the processing of asylum claims.
• Streamline Procedures: Simplify the bureaucratic procedures to reduce backlogs and ensure quicker decisions.

2. Expand Safe and Legal Routes

• Humanitarian Visas: Introduce or expand programs for humanitarian visas to allow refugees to apply for asylum from outside the UK.
• Resettlement Programs: Increase the number of refugees resettled through UNHCR and other international organizations.

3. Improve Integration Programs

• Language and Employment Support: Provide comprehensive language training and employment support to help refugees integrate into society.
• Community Sponsorship: Encourage and expand community sponsorship programs where local communities support refugee families.

4. Strengthen International Cooperation

• Work with EU and Global Partners: Collaborate with other countries and international organizations to share responsibility and improve the global response to refugee crises.
• Address Root Causes: Invest in international development and diplomatic efforts to address the root causes of displacement, such as conflict and persecution.

5. Public Education and Awareness

• Information Campaigns: Launch public information campaigns to educate the public on the realities of refugees and asylum seekers, combating misinformation and promoting understanding.
• Highlight Positive Contributions: Showcase positive stories of refugee contributions to British society to foster a more welcoming environment.

6. Legal and Policy Reforms

• Compliance with International Law: Ensure that UK asylum policies comply with international laws and conventions.
• Review Detention Practices: Minimize the use of detention for asylum seekers and ensure that any detention is humane and for the shortest possible duration.

7. Support for Local Authorities

• Funding and Resources: Provide adequate funding and resources to local authorities that are responsible for housing and supporting refugees.
• Best Practice Sharing: Encourage the sharing of best practices among local authorities to improve the quality of support services.

8. Addressing Public Concerns

• Balanced Policies: Develop policies that balance humanitarian responsibilities with public concerns about immigration.
• Engage with Communities: Engage with local communities to address their concerns and involve them in the integration process.

9. Monitoring and Evaluation

• Regular Reviews: Implement a system for regular reviews of refugee policies to assess their effectiveness and make necessary adjustments.
• Feedback Mechanisms: Establish mechanisms for refugees and asylum seekers to provide feedback on the services they receive.

10. Collaboration with NGOs and Civil Society

• Partner with NGOs: Work closely with non-governmental organizations and civil society groups that have expertise in refugee support and integration.
• Leverage Volunteers: Encourage and support volunteer programs to assist with refugee integration and support services.

By adopting a comprehensive and balanced approach, the UK can better manage the refugee situation, fulfilling its humanitarian obligations while maintaining public trust and social cohesion.

[Beany]

That's basically a bullet pointed list of what refugee charities and most of the non-murdoch press have said over the years

(it's also good for the first steps of documenting code - feed it a script and ask it, as a computer operator, what it's doing when you give it variables X, Y, Z and it'll give you a decent indented list of the functions)

[ZedLeg]

Yeah, see putting loads of energy and research into stuff that is rejected 9 times out of 10 is my bread and butter

[nuttinnew]

Don't give up! Keep at it, I'm sure you can make it 10/10.

[duncs500]

Just don't ask chatGPT if we should launch a nuke pre-emptively. Apparently most AIs think it's a good idea!

That probably tells you everything you need to know about whether it can solve real problems...

[Mito Man]

It all comes down to AI realising that all human problems are self inflicted, and if you look at it like that, the answer for something which isn't human is very simple.

[Gavster]

Yeah, see putting loads of energy and research into stuff that is rejected 9 times out of 10 is my bread and butter

[Simon]

Can we all agree that Musk is a total cunt though!..

We knew that before all this mess though.

[KiwiDave]

Australia is ramming policies down the throats to do with immigration and the Aboriginal communities. Which seem strange as even when you land it comes over the tannoy and says “we pay our respect to the elders past and present” it’s massively more left wing politically than any country I’ve ever been to. Lots of protests in Perth, Hong Kong, religious, Aboriginal, immigration etc etc.

Let's be quite clear here for a moment Dave, Australia has had a long, long ride of being racist as fuck and treating the Aboriginal communities like second rate humans at best, worse than humans more often. Not as the people the country belongs to. In the same way the whole fucking world lays into Americans for going on holiday and braying about how it's not like home, then we all say the answer is to either fuck off or learn to absorb the culture you're joining, colonisation fucking ignored that whole idea and drove a highway over native cultures everywhere in the name of 'white man is best.' The fact that Australia is trying to acknowledge that and actively demonstrate behaviours and policies which might try to right a fraction of the wrongs is being seen as left wing, liberal and being forced down the throat of Australians is part of the problem. It's about fucking time frankly... The only people complaining about it are either part of the problem, or on their own journey in being not part of the problem.

And I'll tell you how I know that - because it took me a fair old while of being in NZ (who's a LOT further down the same journey as Australia are traveling) to realise that the pre-programmed attitude of being a white English guy made me a huge part of the issue. It wasn't obvious to me because I'd never been taught to see the world through an alternative set of eyes, and the journey for me personally has been huge.

Australia is recovering from a dark decade of religo-conservative government of the "Liberal" party up to 2022. The "Welcome to country" is a pretty paltry payback to the Australian First Nations people who live signifcantly shorter and poorer lives.

Australia is in the midst of a massive housing cost crisis partially brought on by business' lust for cheap labour and hence very high migration.
The hypocrisy of the conservatives absolutely on show when they'd sound the "No (dark) refugees" dogwhistle at election time and get a proper fanfare from Mudoch's toxic arsenal of arseholes. Refugees to Australia got locked up in the desert for a decade or shipped off to some extremely dodgy SE Asian third country for "processing".

A shameful chapter in our history.

And this - great to see it acknowledged by someone who actually lives there. (Are you actually Australian Rob?)

I'd also add, by no means has NZ got this sussed out. But it's probably further along than most. We've had decades of legal claims on behalf of Iwi (Māori tribes) go through court to reach formal settlement between the Crown and Iwi for harm done. That recognition of country being rammed down everyone's throats in Australia is long since rammed further here. There's genuine attempts at co-governance at quite high levels in organisations and government, where the traditional white lens sits alongside that of Māori world views.

And Māori and Pacifica people are still more broke, feature disproportionately in crime and homeless stats, they die earlier, have poorer health in general. And yes, there's still a lot of racism towards them, currently being stoked by an almost Trump-esque government full of racists (because Jacinda's approach was way too fucking radical - you know being kind and fair and treating people like you'd expect to be treated yourself). And yeah, the asylum cap comes up often and the gloves come off everywhere over it...


So politely... it's not left wing ramming stuff down people's throats. It's learning not to be a racist asshole.

[V8Granite]

I don’t think forcing everyone to wear rainbow shoelaces and telling us we have to sign a form to promise not to be racist is winning them much favour.

Dave!

[KiwiDave]

I mean that's not happening is it?

What is happening is trying to introduce the concept of acknowledging the people who are marginalised in society, in this case the people who's fucking country they stole as part of everyday conversation. If the government can't try and model decent behaviour who else is society going to look to?

And if that's not going down too well, perhaps the people pissed off about it ought to have a look at themselves and figure out why trying to respect people is so fucking irksome and annoying? Because the alternative, keeping quiet about it and acting like everything is OK - 'leave it alone, everything is fine as it is' - well that's just allowing the rampant imbalance and injustice to continue. Or to put it another way, 'I rather liked the racist as fuck attitude Australia has had for the past few hundred years because it suits me just fine, fuck all those native cultures and rainbow shoe lace wearing gays, but I'm not racist or anti-minority groups honest.'

[ZedLeg]

Nothing is as wounded as a white person who doesn’t think they’re prejudiced being asked to examine institutional prejudice.

[V8Granite]

No, the implication that you need to say you aren’t racist to be seen as not racist is awful. A few places make you sign a code of conduct which is fine, it encapsulates how you treat clients and everyone you work with, showing respect etc etc. that’s not a problem as it’s their company values and just says be nice to all.

Are you a wife beater ? Sign to say you aren’t please or you might be one.

Lots of people may not be pro LGBTQ for religious reasons but it doesn’t mean they mean them any ill will or don’t show them respect.

Dave!

[V8Granite]

Nothing is as wounded as a white person who doesn’t think they’re prejudiced being asked to examine institutional prejudice.

Half the people on the construction crew weren’t white. At a guess of the 60 odd people 25% were Māoris doing the scaffolding and steelwork, then roughly a half and half mix of Indians and Aboriginals. The only one who put and actual signature down was the guy in charge from the station.

Dave!

[ZedLeg]

That wasn’t my point Dave. Both NZ and Aus have had massive historic problems with institutional racism. Some of the white immigrant population refuse to acknowledge this as it would mean accepting that their ancestors caused major harm to the people and land.

[ZedLeg]

Two months is a joke when they’re giving peaceful protestors years.

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[Rich B]

Two months is a joke when they’re giving peaceful protestors years.

theres that word “peaceful” again.

It does make for an interesting comparison - from a monetary position, i expect the damage the pair did to the painting frame with the soup was similar to the damage this scrote did to a police car - so if they get two months too, are we all happy?

[Simon]

And stop calling holding hundreds or thousands of people hostage on a motorway 'peaceful'. It's anything but. Nor did they carry favour with the judge. Many were repeat offenders, showed no remorse and actively said 'if they were let out they'd do it again'.

These were innocent little snowflakes dragged off to a cell for holding a placard up in parliament square. Quite the opposite.

[ZedLeg]

Two months is a joke when they’re giving peaceful protestors years.

theres that word “peaceful” again.

It does make for an interesting comparison - from a monetary position, i expect the damage the pair did to the painting frame with the soup was similar to the damage this scrote did to a police car - so if they get two months too, are we all happy?

Yes

I’m not saying that JSO should be immune to consequences but I can’t see how anyone can argue that they should be in jail for years longer than these rioters.

And again inconvenience isn’t violence.

[Jobbo]

The JSO protesters were charged with a different offence. The penalty for their offence was increased by the Tories due to the effect blockading highways has on society as a whole. That is an issue in its own right and has no bearing on the penalties for the rioters - so irrespective of the comparison, this is not the place for it.