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dinny_g wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:00 am

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:54 am That's just not true Dinny, the British seem to have a huge problem acknowledging how much of the wealth and power of the country is built on being absolutely terrible to other countries.

If you think any of the countries you mention get off any lighter you should look up how people feel about what the Belgians did in the Congo.

I don't necessarily agree with that Zed. Britain has a "Commonwealth" which is pretty much a poster for how the country benefited from it's Empire.

Put it another way, when was the list time you even heard the expression "Belgium Empire", let alone criticism of it...

We talk about how great the commonwealth is, we don't talk about the multiple genocides, mass theft of land and resources, subjugation of indigenous populations all of the world. This isn't ancient history either. We were responsible for famines that starved millions in India in the early twentieth century and the institutional cruelty to indigenous people in Canada and Australia was ongoing up to the 60s and 70s.

V8Granite wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:47 am I think if people dig down then everyone was pretty nasty to everyone else.

Twitter is a pretty weird place in general which is why I went on and then very quickly left.

Dave!

Funny - I haven't seen anything negative on my twitter feed. It's such an echo chamber and so limited in its reach sometimes.

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:05 am

dinny_g wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:00 am

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:54 am That's just not true Dinny, the British seem to have a huge problem acknowledging how much of the wealth and power of the country is built on being absolutely terrible to other countries.

If you think any of the countries you mention get off any lighter you should look up how people feel about what the Belgians did in the Congo.

I don't necessarily agree with that Zed. Britain has a "Commonwealth" which is pretty much a poster for how the country benefited from it's Empire.

Put it another way, when was the list time you even heard the expression "Belgium Empire", let alone criticism of it...

We talk about how great the commonwealth is, we don't talk about the multiple genocides, mass theft of land and resources, subjugation of indigenous populations all of the world. This isn't ancient history either. We were responsible for famines that starved millions in India in the early twentieth century and the institutional cruelty to indigenous people in Canada and Australia was ongoing up to the 60s and 70s.

Pretty much all of has been accepted, acknowledged and apologised for my the British Government and Monarchy.

I really don't think anyone is denying any of this or not acknowledging it happened or not accepting responsibility. You can't change history but Britain is accepting of it.

We'll agree to disagree I think, I had intended to stay out of this thread as my thoughts on it are clearly miles away from the general view.

Explosive Newt wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:08 am

V8Granite wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:47 am I think if people dig down then everyone was pretty nasty to everyone else.

Twitter is a pretty weird place in general which is why I went on and then very quickly left.

Dave!

Funny - I haven't seen anything negative on my twitter feed. It's such an echo chamber and so limited in its reach sometimes.

I write that badly, I’ve not been on Twitter in a long while, I’ve not opened it since her death. It was stuff I saw on Twitter in general.

Dave!

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:10 am We'll agree to disagree I think, I had intended to stay out of this thread as my thoughts on it are clearly miles away from the general view.

I fully expect to see your apologies and sad face by using the term gammons in the past. I only hope that you are sincere to every individual you offended.

Or, you can accept that times, acceptance and ways of doing things change and adapt and to apologise for the past is a very silly thing to do indeed.

I for one am not offended and would happily cook you a vegetarian BBQ but I can’t guarantee my kids won’t be Gammon Triggered and demand a fiver or two for their suffering 🫣

Dave!

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:10 am We'll agree to disagree I think, I had intended to stay out of this thread as my thoughts on it are clearly miles away from the general view.

No worries Zed - I understand. All good mate !

V8Granite wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:15 am

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:10 am We'll agree to disagree I think, I had intended to stay out of this thread as my thoughts on it are clearly miles away from the general view.

I fully expect to see your apologies and sad face by using the term gammons in the past. I only hope that you are sincere to every individual you offended.

Or, you can accept that times, acceptance and ways of doing things change and adapt and to apologise for the past is a very silly thing to do indeed.

I for one am not offended and would happily cook you a vegetarian BBQ but I can’t guarantee my kids won’t be Gammon Triggered and demand a fiver or two for their suffering 🫣

Dave!

I'll apologise for calling folk gammon if it turns out that middle aged white dudes with high blood pressure are a persecuted minority that have been materially disadvantaged by their position

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:10 am We'll agree to disagree I think, I had intended to stay out of this thread as my thoughts on it are clearly miles away from the general view.

What do you disagree with? That we as a nation have apologised and recognised our past?

I don't think people really go on much about the Commonwealth being great, tbh. But some people do like to go on about its past ties. Which begs the question - if all the oppressed former colonies have such a dim view of the Commonwealth itself, why have so many chosen to remain a part of it long after their choosing to become self-governing republics in their own right? Even those who are still vocal about the terrible colonial past. And why are non-colonial nations keen to join?

The real answer is, like most things of course, that it's all very complex and nuanced and trying to view it from one extreme or the other is just daft.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:33 am

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:10 am We'll agree to disagree I think, I had intended to stay out of this thread as my thoughts on it are clearly miles away from the general view.

What do you disagree with? That we as a nation have apologised and recognised our past?

I don't think people really go on much about the Commonwealth being great, tbh. But some people do like to go on about its past ties. Which begs the question - if all the oppressed former colonies have such a dim view of the Commonwealth itself, why have so many chosen to remain a part of it long after their choosing to become self-governing republics in their own right. And why are non-colonial nations keen to join?

The real answer is, of course, that like most thing, it's all very complex and nuanced and trying to view it from one extreme or the other is just daft.

Nah , just the general view of the royal family and the reaction to what amounts to an extremely wealthy old woman dying.

Like I'm not a rabid anti monarchist, I just don't give a shit.

Oh, ok. Fair enough

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:33 am
The real answer is, like most things of course, that it's all very complex and nuanced and trying to view it from one extreme or the other is just daft.

Are you new to the Internet?

All of what you said is correct by the way.

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:31 am

V8Granite wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:15 am

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:10 am We'll agree to disagree I think, I had intended to stay out of this thread as my thoughts on it are clearly miles away from the general view.

I fully expect to see your apologies and sad face by using the term gammons in the past. I only hope that you are sincere to every individual you offended.

Or, you can accept that times, acceptance and ways of doing things change and adapt and to apologise for the past is a very silly thing to do indeed.

I for one am not offended and would happily cook you a vegetarian BBQ but I can’t guarantee my kids won’t be Gammon Triggered and demand a fiver or two for their suffering 🫣

Dave!

I'll apologise for calling folk gammon if it turns out that middle aged white dudes with high blood pressure are a persecuted minority that have been materially disadvantaged by their position

Have you seen clothes prices at Raging Bill, Bad Rhino and other fat and tall shops, it’s a travesty, Bob Geldoff is getting all riled up over it.

Dave!

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:35 am
Like I'm not a rabid anti monarchist, I just don't give a shit.

Give enough to take time to type this.

Sad old world.

I cant believe theyve cancelled the football tho



Are we all going to be forced into being miserable for a few days? I took myself to the gym last night to get away from it (still on on the tvs tho wasnt it ).

Broccers wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:31 pm

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:35 am
Like I'm not a rabid anti monarchist, I just don't give a shit.

Give enough to take time to type this.

Sad old world.

Only cause someone asked broccers

When is Bozza coming back?

Sounds like the Scottish chippy owner is a fully paid up loon:

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:46 pm

Broccers wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:31 pm

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:35 am
Like I'm not a rabid anti monarchist, I just don't give a shit.

Give enough to take time to type this.

Sad old world.

Only cause someone asked broccers

No.