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We went from London to Folkestone (91 miles as we went round the M25 with just over half a battery) to do some emergency post storm repairs to his aviary and then back to London. We were only in Folkestone for 3 hours so the home charger would have given 21 kWh which would have been enough.

Just sat in the car and watched some carwow videos which is nice on its big screen. Never been in it before whilst it’s supercharging but it sure does make a lot of clunks. Don’t know if there’s moving parts in the battery as it’s shifting coolant around but you feel it through the floor. Paid Sir Elon £12 for the privilege.

£12 to do 90 miles. So that’s basically the equivalent of a petrol car doing 42 mpg.

You can't put a price on saving the world Rich.

EV charging seems to work on a sliding scale at the moment, the faster you want your charge the more you pay. My recent fill up cost £8.36, twice what it would cost at home, but twelve times faster.

Barry wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:29 am EV charging seems to work on a sliding scale at the moment, the faster you want your charge the more you pay. My recent fill up cost £8.36, twice what it would cost at home, but twelve times faster.

Remind me what you have bought?

Rich B wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:33 am £12 to do 90 miles. So that’s basically the equivalent of a petrol car doing 42 mpg.

And it's not even taxed on a par with petrol. As soon as they start adding road charging or whatever to make up for lost fuel duty revenue, and add in the cost of the more expensive electric cars, then your whole cost of motoring goes up.

Simon wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:44 am

Rich B wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:33 am £12 to do 90 miles. So that’s basically the equivalent of a petrol car doing 42 mpg.

And it's not even taxed on a par with petrol. As soon as they start adding road charging or whatever to make up for lost fuel duty revenue, and add in the cost of the more expensive electric cars, then your whole cost of motoring goes up.

I will lord it over the expensive to run electric plebs in my veg oil converted Defender with my fuel duty free 5000 litres a year and have them bathe in my doughnut smelling exhaust pipe.

We may see a much increased level of toilet glory holes while all the EV owners have their 5th toilet break on a mighty journey like London to Liverpool, EV perverts!!!!

You disgust me!!

Possible exaggerations aside, I wonder if veg oil will keep some of us free to fuel at home?

Dave!

V8Granite wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:49 am

Simon wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:44 am

Rich B wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:33 am £12 to do 90 miles. So that’s basically the equivalent of a petrol car doing 42 mpg.

And it's not even taxed on a par with petrol. As soon as they start adding road charging or whatever to make up for lost fuel duty revenue, and add in the cost of the more expensive electric cars, then your whole cost of motoring goes up.

I will lord it over the expensive to run electric plebs in my veg oil converted Defender with my fuel duty free 5000 litres a year and have them bathe in my doughnut smelling exhaust pipe.

We may see a much increased level of toilet glory holes while all the EV owners have their 5th toilet break on a mighty journey like London to Liverpool, EV perverts!!!!

You disgust me!!

Possible exaggerations aside, I wonder if veg oil will keep some of us free to fuel at home?

Dave!

Yeah but you don’t live/work in London. As soon as you enter you’ll pay £20 then the parking is done by number plate so diesels pay much more per hour. With EVs you only pay parking for 10 mins or the minimum amount to get it on the system then the remaining 3 hours and 50 minutes is free rather than paying £8 an hour.

What are the current rules on tax exempt cars in London

Both my toys will be tax exempt in 2031 so it could be a handy thing.

This is all presuming classic car rules don’t change in the next 11 years, which I think is quite likely.

Dave!

Rich B wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:33 am £12 to do 90 miles. So that’s basically the equivalent of a petrol car doing 42 mpg.

How many petrol cars can do 42mpg and hit 60 in under 4s?

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:34 am

Rich B wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:33 am £12 to do 90 miles. So that’s basically the equivalent of a petrol car doing 42 mpg.

How many petrol cars can do 42mpg and hit 60 in under 4s?

Well quite clearly a direct comparison can be drawn with the Light Car Company Rocket and a Caterham R400

Dave!

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:34 am

Rich B wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:33 am £12 to do 90 miles. So that’s basically the equivalent of a petrol car doing 42 mpg.

How many petrol cars can do 42mpg and hit 60 in under 4s?

Hows about 48mpg and 4.6 seconds?

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:34 am

Rich B wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:33 am £12 to do 90 miles. So that’s basically the equivalent of a petrol car doing 42 mpg.

How many petrol cars can do 42mpg and hit 60 in under 4s?

The Tesla’s range would be severely diminished if you use that acceleration, so the figures would change.

The point being, in normal conditions, the Tesla uses about the same amount of money’s worth of fuel as my petrol Golf If you charge it where Mito did.

So best case for your Golf vs worst case for the Tesla, right? That’s a good scientific basis for comparison

That was £12 to take it from 83 miles of range to 280 though so 197 miles of additional ‘predicted’ of which it will do 120 miles in reality driving quite quickly or closer to its estimate in traffic.

Jobbo wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:07 pm So best case for your Golf vs worst case for the Tesla, right? That’s a good scientific basis for comparison

Question for the EV guys - Do EVs ever do better than their predicted range?

Mito Man wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:08 pm That was £12 to take it from 83 miles of range to 280 though so 197 miles of additional ‘predicted’ of which it will do 120 miles in reality driving quite quickly or closer to its estimate in traffic.

So more like 60mpg if you're driving it quickly, and even higher in normal driving?

Rich - whilst I agree, you wouldn't actually be using all of that charge to do sub-4s to 60 runs. The point is that it can, on occasion. And then it will do 60mpg, if you use the more expensive method of charging.

Mito - what's the cost to charge at home by a similar amount?

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:15 pm

Mito Man wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:08 pm That was £12 to take it from 83 miles of range to 280 though so 197 miles of additional ‘predicted’ of which it will do 120 miles in reality driving quite quickly or closer to its estimate in traffic.

So more like 60mpg if you're driving it quickly, and even higher in normal driving?

Rich - whilst I agree, you wouldn't actually be using all of that charge to do sub-4s to 60 runs. The point is that it can, on occasion. And then it will do 60mpg, if you use the more expensive method of charging.

Mito - what's the cost to charge at home by a similar amount?

Hard to know exactly, think Tesla charge 24p per kWh (it does vary a tiny bit depending on location) but the home is about half that, then there’s off peak and then the house has solar panels so they actually get paid net.

The car uses the least amount of battery during rush hour, as the smart motorways are usually set to 50 mph, you can’t accelerate hard in the city etc. The car is usually charged at home to 90% which is recommended, it will go to London, return back (usually both times round the M25 as it’s much quicker but it’s 91 miles each way) and it will arrive home at 20-23% range)

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:15 pm

Mito Man wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:08 pm That was £12 to take it from 83 miles of range to 280 though so 197 miles of additional ‘predicted’ of which it will do 120 miles in reality driving quite quickly or closer to its estimate in traffic.

So more like 60mpg if you're driving it quickly, and even higher in normal driving?

Rich - whilst I agree, you wouldn't actually be using all of that charge to do sub-4s to 60 runs. The point is that it can, on occasion. And then it will do 60mpg, if you use the more expensive method of charging.

I'm not trying to take a side on this - I agree with all of your points - I’m just interested to hear the facts.

scotta wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:42 am

Barry wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:29 am EV charging seems to work on a sliding scale at the moment, the faster you want your charge the more you pay. My recent fill up cost £8.36, twice what it would cost at home, but twelve times faster.

Remind me what you have bought?

Haven't bought, rented for two years to see what the fuss is about.

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