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Beany wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:19 pm You've gone full Daily Mail, Dinny.

You never go full Daily Mail.
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I remember discussing the backstop when it first appeared and I said I didn’t see what was so onerous. GG pointed out that a legal agreement with no end date that requires the full agreement of both parties to end meant one party could end up trapped in it against their will. Surely, then, the answer is a time-limited backstop with the option to extend with the agreement of both parties? Or is that too easy?
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dinny_g wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:25 pm
Beany wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:19 pm You've gone full Daily Mail, Dinny.

You never go full Daily Mail.
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Beany’s right. It’s nothing to do with keeping us in (they can’t stop us leaving, see No Deal for details). That point of view is patently just a bit silly.
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There's no such thing as a time limited backstop. See last few years of no agreement.
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Broccers wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:36 pm There's no such thing as a time limited backstop. See last few years of no agreement.
There is if all parties want there to be. The current backstop is worded that it is only in force until a future relationship is agreed. Instead just word it to say “until a future relationship is agreed or until [future date], unless both parties agree to extend”.

The reason the DUP/ERG etc couldn’t accept the backstop wasn’t because of the backstop itself but because it meant that the EU could potentially just not agree to a future deal and we’d be held in the backstop arrangement forever.
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NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:41 pm
Broccers wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:36 pm There's no such thing as a time limited backstop. See last few years of no agreement.
There is if all parties want there to be. The current backstop is worded that it is only in force until a future relationship is agreed. Instead just word it to say “until a future relationship is agreed or until [future date], unless both parties agree to extend”.

The reason the DUP/ERG etc couldn’t accept the backstop wasn’t because of the backstop itself but because it meant that the EU could potentially just not agree to a future deal and we’d be held in the backstop arrangement forever.
Sorry I'm not buying that they will agree anything, especially when a good chunk of our own country don't want the thing to succeed because they want to say I told you so, thick gammon cunts etc
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Broccers wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:03 pm
NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:41 pm
Broccers wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:36 pm There's no such thing as a time limited backstop. See last few years of no agreement.
There is if all parties want there to be. The current backstop is worded that it is only in force until a future relationship is agreed. Instead just word it to say “until a future relationship is agreed or until [future date], unless both parties agree to extend”.

The reason the DUP/ERG etc couldn’t accept the backstop wasn’t because of the backstop itself but because it meant that the EU could potentially just not agree to a future deal and we’d be held in the backstop arrangement forever.
Sorry I'm not buying that they will agree anything, especially when a good chunk of our own country don't want the thing to succeed because they want to say I told you so, thick gammon cunts etc
Yes, that's why people don't want Brexit, to create more opportunities for name calling. You've seen right through the remain argument.
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Broccers wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:03 pm
NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:41 pm
Broccers wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:36 pm There's no such thing as a time limited backstop. See last few years of no agreement.
There is if all parties want there to be. The current backstop is worded that it is only in force until a future relationship is agreed. Instead just word it to say “until a future relationship is agreed or until [future date], unless both parties agree to extend”.

The reason the DUP/ERG etc couldn’t accept the backstop wasn’t because of the backstop itself but because it meant that the EU could potentially just not agree to a future deal and we’d be held in the backstop arrangement forever.
Sorry I'm not buying that they will agree anything, especially when a good chunk of our own country don't want the thing to succeed because they want to say I told you so, thick gammon cunts etc
But they did agree to the backstop. It's Parliament that stopped it.
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NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:34 pm
dinny_g wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:25 pm
Beany wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:19 pm You've gone full Daily Mail, Dinny.

You never go full Daily Mail.
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Beany’s right. It’s nothing to do with keeping us in (they can’t stop us leaving, see No Deal for details). That point of view is patently just a bit silly.
I know it’s nothing to do with keeping us in, it’s about making sure no one else will want to leave at this stage...
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dinny_g wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:37 pm
NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:34 pm
dinny_g wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:25 pm

:lol:
Beany’s right. It’s nothing to do with keeping us in (they can’t stop us leaving, see No Deal for details). That point of view is patently just a bit silly.
I know it’s nothing to do with keeping us in, it’s about making sure no one else will want to leave at this stage...
Conspiracy claptrap.
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Do you not feel that any Deal, agreed by the EU, would be jumped upon by any EuroSkeptic group and
would form the foundation for their any subsequent leave campaign ??

The UK voted to leave with no clue about what to expect. Others could presented with a lot more certainty of the likely outcome in their votes??

But overall yeah, I can see why you’d say conspiracy claptrap.
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dinny_g wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:03 pm Do you not feel that any Deal, agreed by the EU, would be jumped upon by any EuroSkeptic group and
would form the foundation for their any subsequent leave campaign ??

The UK voted to leave with no clue about what to expect. Others could presented with a lot more certainty of the likely outcome in their votes??

But overall yeah, I can see why you’d say conspiracy claptrap.
You're assuming that other member states have similar issues. As far as I'm aware most others don't see the EU as the issue and can work within the framework and get agreement on exceptions.
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dinny_g wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:03 pm Do you not feel that any Deal, agreed by the EU, would be jumped upon by any EuroSkeptic group and
would form the foundation for their any subsequent leave campaign ??

The UK voted to leave with no clue about what to expect. Others could presented with a lot more certainty of the likely outcome in their votes??

But overall yeah, I can see why you’d say conspiracy claptrap.
The EU agreed a deal. It was the UK Parliament that rejected it.
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You'd think they'd be grateful to have their parliamentary sovereignty.
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Fair point - I need to loosen the Tinfoil...

And stop posting in this thread... :lol:
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Broccers wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:09 pm "They dont want to" more like it


Lots of people think this


Is Parliament prorogued today btw
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As I'm looking at twitter, I hate twitter, this popped up.

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How does that prove bad faith? Sounds like a statement of fact.
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The EU agreed May’s deal. They gave her what she asked for. How is that acting in bad faith?
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Just me actually watched the video then 😙😂💪
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