That’s the other side to it. There’s no sign that any more debating will achieve anything, so all they’re doing is maybe cutting to the chase and saving us from another 5 weeks of pointless waffle.
Bye Bye Boris!
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Cheers,
Mike.
Mike.
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This is the problem, isn't it?
Pretty much every option - no deal, WA, revoke Article 50, is now considered to be political suicide to the various parties and persons who might propose, or oppose, such things.
Our parliamentarians are a bunch of spineless fucks.
Pretty much every option - no deal, WA, revoke Article 50, is now considered to be political suicide to the various parties and persons who might propose, or oppose, such things.
Our parliamentarians are a bunch of spineless fucks.
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It's been done before by Major. Cash for questions scandal.NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:17 pm The number of people gleefully supporting this action (not necessarily here, btw), simply because it delivers the thing they want, without thinking it through is staggering.
Could you imagine this happening on any other subject? Abolishing the NHS? Scrapping pensions? Banning abortion? Introducing a night curfew? Annexing Eire? It’s a genuine slippery slope. If they can do this now, then we have no democratic control whatsoever.
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Doesn't make it right though.Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:27 pmIt's been done before by Major. Cash for questions scandal.NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:17 pm The number of people gleefully supporting this action (not necessarily here, btw), simply because it delivers the thing they want, without thinking it through is staggering.
Could you imagine this happening on any other subject? Abolishing the NHS? Scrapping pensions? Banning abortion? Introducing a night curfew? Annexing Eire? It’s a genuine slippery slope. If they can do this now, then we have no democratic control whatsoever.
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I'm not saying it does. But it's a constitutional tool at the Government's disposal, that has been used before (for questionable reasons by a staunch Remainer ironically enough).DeskJockey wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:28 pmDoesn't make it right though.Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:27 pmIt's been done before by Major. Cash for questions scandal.NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:17 pm The number of people gleefully supporting this action (not necessarily here, btw), simply because it delivers the thing they want, without thinking it through is staggering.
Could you imagine this happening on any other subject? Abolishing the NHS? Scrapping pensions? Banning abortion? Introducing a night curfew? Annexing Eire? It’s a genuine slippery slope. If they can do this now, then we have no democratic control whatsoever.
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I know that's not what you said, just pointing it out.Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:32 pmI'm not saying it does. But it's a constitutional tool at the Government's disposal, that has been used before (for questionable reasons by a staunch Remainer ironically enough).DeskJockey wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:28 pmDoesn't make it right though.Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:27 pm
It's been done before by Major. Cash for questions scandal.
Frankly the whole situation is appalling, no matter which way you look at it.
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How long did Major do that for out of interest?Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:27 pmIt's been done before by Major. Cash for questions scandal.NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:17 pm The number of people gleefully supporting this action (not necessarily here, btw), simply because it delivers the thing they want, without thinking it through is staggering.
Could you imagine this happening on any other subject? Abolishing the NHS? Scrapping pensions? Banning abortion? Introducing a night curfew? Annexing Eire? It’s a genuine slippery slope. If they can do this now, then we have no democratic control whatsoever.
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The Privy Council has obtained the Queen's order proroguing Parliament: https://privycouncil.independent.gov.uk ... n-council/ (see 28 Aug business).
So it's going ahead, subject to the legal challenge in the Scottish court (which I suspect will fail because the court will, I imagine, feel constitutionally obliged to follow the order of the Queen).
So it's going ahead, subject to the legal challenge in the Scottish court (which I suspect will fail because the court will, I imagine, feel constitutionally obliged to follow the order of the Queen).
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Fuck that cunt.
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Having had a dig about, 6 weeks it seems. From 21 March 1997 until the GE that year (1 May). Prorogued on a Friday when the Cash for Questions report was due on the following Mon/Tue.speedingfine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:53 pmHow long did Major do that for out of interest?Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:27 pmIt's been done before by Major. Cash for questions scandal.NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:17 pm The number of people gleefully supporting this action (not necessarily here, btw), simply because it delivers the thing they want, without thinking it through is staggering.
Could you imagine this happening on any other subject? Abolishing the NHS? Scrapping pensions? Banning abortion? Introducing a night curfew? Annexing Eire? It’s a genuine slippery slope. If they can do this now, then we have no democratic control whatsoever.
ETA: I also didn't realise just how long this Parliamentary session had been sitting. Since 21 June 2017! Longest since 1653.
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That's not really a practical issue though. It hasn't actually been sitting throughout the summer recess, so it's not as if the MPs are tired out.Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:26 pm ETA: I also didn't realise just how long this Parliamentary session had been sitting. Since 21 June 2017! Longest since 1653.
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Yep it’s not like the poor bastards have been working much, if at all...
How about not having a sig at all?
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No, really?!Jobbo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:30 pmThat's not really a practical issue though. It hasn't actually been sitting throughout the summer recess, so it's not as if the MPs are tired out.Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:26 pm ETA: I also didn't realise just how long this Parliamentary session had been sitting. Since 21 June 2017! Longest since 1653.
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Well what was your point? The length of a Parliamentary session isn't fixed, but the whole idea of Parliament having to be ended and start again is a nonsense except at elections.Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:41 pmNo, really?!Jobbo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:30 pmThat's not really a practical issue though. It hasn't actually been sitting throughout the summer recess, so it's not as if the MPs are tired out.Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:26 pm ETA: I also didn't realise just how long this Parliamentary session had been sitting. Since 21 June 2017! Longest since 1653.
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Calling a general election is very, very different from what Johnson is doing here, even if still morally questionable, and the report was still published. Neil Hamilton lost his seat (and his credibility) and, of course, Labour ousted the Conservative government by a landslide.Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:27 pmIt's been done before by Major. Cash for questions scandal.NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:17 pm The number of people gleefully supporting this action (not necessarily here, btw), simply because it delivers the thing they want, without thinking it through is staggering.
Could you imagine this happening on any other subject? Abolishing the NHS? Scrapping pensions? Banning abortion? Introducing a night curfew? Annexing Eire? It’s a genuine slippery slope. If they can do this now, then we have no democratic control whatsoever.
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Name one occasion when the Europe Council or the European Commission has either a) prevented the European Parliament from sitting or b) dictated the agenda of the European Parliament.
I’ll wait.
For everyone else, whilst Mike is looking this up, the answer is “never”.
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No point as such, just a surprised observation.Jobbo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:42 pmWell what was your point? The length of a Parliamentary session isn't fixed, but the whole idea of Parliament having to be ended and start again is a nonsense except at elections.