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I drove a S1 Sport 135 with a K20 in it todayand i'm not sure how i feel about it! To give the background, the guy had bought it as an unfinished project (he has another one that he’s converted) to fix up/finish over the winter, so i’ve seen it now at pretty much its worst. It’s assembled and freshly MOT’d, but still has plenty of bits throughout the car needing sorting.
Engine - it ran well, it has a couple of rattles (we tracked it down to an exhaust bracket and a heat shield) and various build issues including the ECU needing to be fixed in position (it was loose in the boot!) and the wiring neatened up/finished. stuff like the speedo didn’t work yet.
gearbox - pretty vague - it went in gear fine but it was a bit of a mystery which gear you’d get. it seemed to default more to the 5/6 line than 3/4.
suspension - mechanically decent, but he was going to refurb wishbones etc.
wheels - standard, refurbed with new toyo tyres
Bodywork - very stonechipped front end and a few signs of osmosis and wear elsewhere. One window / door was pretty badly misaligned. Cool colour though!
interior - ok but tired
overall, i enjoyed it - but with this example, the main issue was the massive amount of bad vibration/rattles which kind of dominated the drive. plus, worryingly - with 200bhp it didn’t feel particularly fast when giving it all the vtec - it did feel pretty urgent at lower revs though.
This one currently felt like the sort of car you find at an experience day - a little tatty but mechanically just about working! Nice chap though, it was good to have a decent chat about it all and i have no doubt given the winter he’ll have it nicely finished.
the other thing it made me think about, ironically, was all of the things i am looking for from an elise. The size of the steering wheel, the unassisted steering, how “between” my knees it is (i struggled a bit with my hands knocking my legs when steering), how firm the brake pedal is, how close the pedals are together, etc all are SO different to what i’m used to from M cars.
i want to try a really good “standard” example next - something like a 111s perhaps, to see if all the noise of the half finished one was over ruling the rest of the experience. Or maybe even an S2/3 for something a little less raw?!
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Engine - it ran well, it has a couple of rattles (we tracked it down to an exhaust bracket and a heat shield) and various build issues including the ECU needing to be fixed in position (it was loose in the boot!) and the wiring neatened up/finished. stuff like the speedo didn’t work yet.
gearbox - pretty vague - it went in gear fine but it was a bit of a mystery which gear you’d get. it seemed to default more to the 5/6 line than 3/4.
suspension - mechanically decent, but he was going to refurb wishbones etc.
wheels - standard, refurbed with new toyo tyres
Bodywork - very stonechipped front end and a few signs of osmosis and wear elsewhere. One window / door was pretty badly misaligned. Cool colour though!
interior - ok but tired
overall, i enjoyed it - but with this example, the main issue was the massive amount of bad vibration/rattles which kind of dominated the drive. plus, worryingly - with 200bhp it didn’t feel particularly fast when giving it all the vtec - it did feel pretty urgent at lower revs though.
This one currently felt like the sort of car you find at an experience day - a little tatty but mechanically just about working! Nice chap though, it was good to have a decent chat about it all and i have no doubt given the winter he’ll have it nicely finished.
the other thing it made me think about, ironically, was all of the things i am looking for from an elise. The size of the steering wheel, the unassisted steering, how “between” my knees it is (i struggled a bit with my hands knocking my legs when steering), how firm the brake pedal is, how close the pedals are together, etc all are SO different to what i’m used to from M cars.
i want to try a really good “standard” example next - something like a 111s perhaps, to see if all the noise of the half finished one was over ruling the rest of the experience. Or maybe even an S2/3 for something a little less raw?!
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I’m more of an exige fan than Elise; and coming from M cars, I think you are too.
This car isn’t for sale, but is what I’d be looking for if I wanted to buy a lots of trouble..
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Looks lovely, but also looks like double my budget!
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They. All. Rattle.
My s3 clubracer had a really really annoying rattle that i discovered was the undertray where it joined the tub. Ive fixed that. Its still got rattles.
S1 heat shields rattle. You would have to replace them all to sort that.
Ross's Exige Cup 430 that cost £100k...rattles.
If you cant get past rattles walk away now and buy a Porsche Boxster.
My s3 clubracer had a really really annoying rattle that i discovered was the undertray where it joined the tub. Ive fixed that. Its still got rattles.
S1 heat shields rattle. You would have to replace them all to sort that.
Ross's Exige Cup 430 that cost £100k...rattles.
If you cant get past rattles walk away now and buy a Porsche Boxster.
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Blah, blah timculator, evonomics etc.. more blah, blah
Point is “buy cheap, buy twice”.. I think you know what I’m trying to say..
Also, that looks amazing and I’d smile every morning as I got into it, and so would you - would a temperamental ball of fire achieve that? Probably less so imho
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TRUTH! Guess that’s why I always chicken out.. I want quality- and you can get the same performance withscotta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:10 pm They. All. Rattle.
My s3 clubracer had a really really annoying rattle that i discovered was the undertray where it joined the tub. Ive fixed that. Its still got rattles.
S1 heat shields rattle. You would have to replace them all to sort that.
Ross's Exige Cup 430 that cost £100k...rattles.
If you cant get past rattles walk away now and buy a Porsche Boxster.
reliability if you remove the Lotus requirement.. may not be as special to drive, but 10% loss for a 70% more reliable car is a no brainer for me, and most others *
*figures completely made up
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yeah, relax Scott i’ve no problem with a few rattles - this one was massive vibration through everything. Like i said, the guy had bought it unfinished (and in pieces) and put it together over the last few weeks for the MoT. it was very unfinished and i knew this from the outset.scotta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:10 pm They. All. Rattle.
My s3 clubracer had a really really annoying rattle that i discovered was the undertray where it joined the tub. Ive fixed that. Its still got rattles.
S1 heat shields rattle. You would have to replace them all to sort that.
Ross's Exige Cup 430 that cost £100k...rattles.
If you cant get past rattles walk away now and buy a Porsche Boxster.
i’m interested to see the reality of a tip top example too for comparison. i’m in no massive rush - i’m happy to kiss a few frogs on the way.
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I assume you've been in an S1/S2 before Rich - they're pretty raw and noisy and while this does sound a bit further on the scale, what you've discribed isn't too far away from the S1 experience.
You just don't sound overly convinced by it, reading between the lines, even taking the extreme rattles into account. Definately worth trying an S3.
I mean, I couldn't live with an S1 these days, I'm too old for all that now it's why I prefer the Evora for a bit of extra comfort in my old age.
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The Hondas are known to be very buzzy and that probably enhances the existing rattles that you get with any Lotus (mind you, I can't recall having many at all in my old S2 Exige). I use noise cancelling earphones on long journeys and that's a game changer in terms of not feeling fried when I get to my destination, but they're certainly not refined.Rich B wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:20 pm i’ve no problem with a few rattles - this one was massive vibration through everything. Like i said, the guy had bought it unfinished (and in pieces) and put it together over the last few weeks for the MoT. it was very unfinished and i knew this from the outset.
i’m interested to see the reality of a tip top example too for comparison. i’m in no massive rush - i’m happy to kiss a few frogs on the way.
I'm surprised it didn't feel quick and that the gearbox didn't feel good though!
In line with your thinking, a standard example of one of the quicker S1 models might be a good compromise, along with trying an S2/3. Don't give up on Lotus yet, you'll get into the way they feel to drive and then driving anything else will seem like driving a blancmange in comparison.
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It is an interesting point to consider, what other cars give you a similar feeling of such a close connection to the driving experience outside of Lotus (or Lotus derivatives)? I haven't drive lots of different cars, but I think it would be hard to find in most modern performance cars from the usual big hitters.
I didn't really feel it with YKs 996 C2 (never drove his GT3), I drove BenB's 964 and that was a lot closer to it. I've driven Mk2 & 3 MX5 and they were pretty good, the feeling of the controls was more akin to what I like.
I didn't really feel it with YKs 996 C2 (never drove his GT3), I drove BenB's 964 and that was a lot closer to it. I've driven Mk2 & 3 MX5 and they were pretty good, the feeling of the controls was more akin to what I like.
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Rich, you probably ought to try the other end of the Elise scale - a supercharged S3 or maybe even a non-supercharged one for context of the performance.
My Elise experience is S2 K-series (standard, 111S which I test drive) and S1 Exige (round Mallory). They all felt pretty similar really; that makes me think I’d find an S3 a bit heavy and sanitised. If you try one thinking that and find it’s not, maybe that’s what to buy.
My Elise experience is S2 K-series (standard, 111S which I test drive) and S1 Exige (round Mallory). They all felt pretty similar really; that makes me think I’d find an S3 a bit heavy and sanitised. If you try one thinking that and find it’s not, maybe that’s what to buy.
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In terms of straight line performance. My supercharged S3 is almost as quick as an M2 comp. I had a few laps with one round knockhill. ebbed and flowed. He pulled a couple of car lengths on the straight and i pulled it more than back round the corners. Mine isnt standard however...Jobbo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:08 am Rich, you probably ought to try the other end of the Elise scale - a supercharged S3 or maybe even a non-supercharged one for context of the performance.
My Elise experience is S2 K-series (standard, 111S which I test drive) and S1 Exige (round Mallory). They all felt pretty similar really; that makes me think I’d find an S3 a bit heavy and sanitised. If you try one thinking that and find it’s not, maybe that’s what to buy.
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Barely anything - you can go more extreme (Atom, Caterham) but there is quite a big sacrifice in practicality and usability.duncs500 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:01 am It is an interesting point to consider, what other cars give you a similar feeling of such a close connection to the driving experience outside of Lotus (or Lotus derivatives)? I haven't drive lots of different cars, but I think it would be hard to find in most modern performance cars from the usual big hitters.
More the other way, in recently years I can only think of the 4C, A110 and MX5....former two are auto, all are quite a bit heavier and probably lacking that 'connection' you mention, especially the 4C which isn't a great drive.
It's why I think the Elise has done so well on the residuals, there's nothing else really quite like it.
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I’ve got two options to replace mine - neither of which I can afford.Matty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:54 pmBarely anything - you can go more extreme (Atom, Caterham) but there is quite a big sacrifice in practicality and usability.duncs500 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:01 am It is an interesting point to consider, what other cars give you a similar feeling of such a close connection to the driving experience outside of Lotus (or Lotus derivatives)? I haven't drive lots of different cars, but I think it would be hard to find in most modern performance cars from the usual big hitters.
More the other way, in recently years I can only think of the 4C, A110 and MX5....former two are auto, all are quite a bit heavier and probably lacking that 'connection' you mention, especially the 4C which isn't a great drive.
It's why I think the Elise has done so well on the residuals, there's nothing else really quite like it.
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I’ve started seeing someone daily driving an evora, not sure if it’s new to them or they have a new commute but hadn’t seen it before a couple of weeks ago.
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i’m not really a fan of the basic Evora - i ld rather just keep my M2 than that tbh.
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There's an Evora in a village a few miles from me with the reg plate E9 ORAintegrale_evo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:47 pm I’ve started seeing someone daily driving an evora, not sure if it’s new to them or they have a new commute but hadn’t seen it before a couple of weeks ago.
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It has been sat on the driveway for years on blocks, along with a FWD Elan parked behind on dollies...both appear to be very broken
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The 18/19” wheels give it away as a normally aspirated car - so using Rich-Speak that’s a sub-basic Evora.
Clearly a problem with the engine if the front is raised that much to drop it down & out.