Hifi - Wiim Amp initial impressions

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I've been after a simple, good quality amp, with streaming support for a while now

Today I took delivery of a new Wiim amp, and so far I'm loving it

It's very "Mac Mini" like in terms of build, design, size, packaging etc

The reason I went for this is seems custom built for my needs:

1) Logitech Media Server (LMS/Squeezebox support)
2) Spotify Connect
3) Chromecast (for apps like BBC sounds etc)

It was really easy to set up, it's discrete, super easy to use etc

e.g. starting music on any supported service switches to that service automatically. If I'm streaming from BBC Sounds via Chromecast and then then start something on Spotify/LMS, it'll switch to that new "source"

It's completely controllable from apps (Wiim's own, plus streaming services) - and the supplied remote is BT LE, so if needed, the amp could be put away in a cupboard/drawer with no need for line-of-sight control etc

So far, very impressed, would certainly suggest adding it to any shortlist if you want a small, simple, high quality (in all respects) amp

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That looks cracking.

My daughter has a Tangent Ampster which is similar in features but a little more of a budget option. Nice to see a few more wireless options at this size and sensible money.

Younger folk don't get the aesthetics of a standard separates amp and set up, she said why are they so big and ugly :D
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That’s jolly interesting.

After getting my stepdaughter a Sonos Era 100 for Christmas I’m wondering if it might be time to pension off the old Squeezebox kit. The Booms are all losing their display brightness and the Mac Mini I run LMS on is now over 11 years old and does crash from time to time. This might be the device to justify keeping it going.
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60wpc (8ohms) sounds punchy enough for most scenarios too. Nice one.
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Jobbo wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:15 pm That’s jolly interesting.

After getting my stepdaughter a Sonos Era 100 for Christmas I’m wondering if it might be time to pension off the old Squeezebox kit. The Booms are all losing their display brightness and the Mac Mini I run LMS on is now over 11 years old and does crash from time to time. This might be the device to justify keeping it going.
yeah, it means I get get rid of a Pi from the lounge (that has been used as an LMS receiver until now) and just stream direct from the LMS to the Wiim amp

I would highly recommend looking at a Pi + HDD as an LMS server though @Jobbo

They're really simple to set up and manage, a Pi4 and above comes with USB3 ports - couple this with a USB3 HDD caddy, and it manages really well, even with my very large collection

I showed Helen how she could stream BBC Sounds and Spotify direct to the Wiim yesterday, and she was really pleased - it's so simple...

A small, plain, clean physical format means it passes the wife test easily too :lol:
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Saw a good review of this yesterday on YouTube

"Good" as in it was an enjoyable video to watch and made some points that really resonated with me

Namely that most people don't care about hifi, there are a lot of people who just want to listen to music - and this is the amp for them

The interesting point he made was how he (a self confessed audiophile) felt when using it - he just enjoyed the music in a much simpler way then when using more expensive, "complicated" etc equipment

And I have to say, I've been listening to loads more music than I normally do since I had this amp

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Just noticed they do a streamer/receiver too which is exactly what I need to add to my hifi, so will give one a try.
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This kit all looks like great value, they do 3 x different wireless receivers from £90 up to £220, which given their versatility looks like a great way to upgrade my home systems and speakers without spending tons of money on new kit.
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Those of you with Wiim devices - do you ever use the multi-room capability which apparently works with Airplay 2, Google Home and Alexa devices as well as other Wiim ones? I don't want to limit myself to a Sonos or other proprietary eco-system if there's now a bit more of an open standard for multi-room, and an Apple Homepod as the kitchen speaker working seamlessly with a Wiim system in other rooms looks like a good way to achieve that.
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I bought a Wiim Pro Plus in Amazon's Prime deals a couple of weeks ago for £175. I set it up and within the app it told me Airplay 2 did not work and to click on a link, type in my details and they'd send me a replacement. So I did that and rather than just getting a replacement, I ended up in a few days of e-mails with customer service asking me to factory reset it etc before they agreed to send a replacement. If your own device tells someone it does not work and to click one link for a replacement, that's really what you expect to happen. Ultimately they asked me for all the details to send it out, which I pointed out were in my very first message to them. They must have found it because the replacement arrived. They've not sent me any request to send back the original yet so I currently have two, and both work other than Airplay 2 on the first one - and that's not particularly necessary since you can use Airplay on the fully functional one and it will sync both. So it seems I have two devices, bit of a bargain.

My last post on this thread was asking about multi-room and now I've had a chance to try it myself. It seems to work; the only annoyance is that it doesn't really work with external inputs because if you play a record (a vinyl :roll: ) in the living room and sync it to the study, there's a lag. That's inevitable when you are playing something direct, while taking the pre-out into the Wiim in one room and sending it to the other room; there's no time correction on the direct playback. This should have been obvious to me but hey. It is something which could potentially be corrected by using a Wiim Amp to replace my living room amp (I'm thinking of buying a Wiim Amp Pro when they launch in August) or by using a pre-amp into the Wiim Pro Plus and then outputting that to my regular amp. I don't think the latter is very elegant. And multi-room with records or CDs still requires you to go to the other room to change the track or put a different album on. So I might just ignore it and not try to do something it's not intended to do really :lol:

Further discoveries:
Apple Music (which my wife has a sub for) and Youtube Music (which I have a sub for) work by Airplay or casting rather than natively. Amazon Music is native, so my wife was somewhat unimpressed that she has a choice of about 15 different versions of Boris Johnson Is A Fucking Cunt by The Kunts to listen to :rofl:
My Squeezebox server software found the Wiim and allowed me to select it as a player without any trouble. I can't point the Wiim at it as a network server though; I think you need a more up to date version of the server software and it might. But I already have an app I have used for at least a decade (iPeng) which controls the Squeezebox server. I have connected up a Squeezebox Radio and it syncs fine with Wiim for multi-room but obviously only for the Squeezebox server, and I'm pensioning off the Logitech kit now since it's getting on a bit and the rubber buttons are rather sticky.

I think I will get a couple of Wiim Minis which are only receivers; the plan is to connect these to soundbars under the tellies so this can be part of a multi-room thing. Not sure how much we'd use them but they are relatively cheap - £90 but nearer £75 when Amazon have a deal on.
I have ordered an Apple Homepod 2 for the kitchen though. It should be the case that Wiim can stream to that for multi-room but I understand they have disabled Airplay 2 casting (eh? Is that what caused me to get a replacement device because it wasn't working? OK...) but there is a new functionality coming in the next firmware update which hopefully reinstates that. We will see. Ultimately it seems to try to do everything so there will probably be a way, and if not I can still use the Homepod to train my wife to play music from her phone.

And the overriding impression with my Wiims is that they seem to achieve things I wasn't expecting: the Squeezebox server finding it straight away, syncing Wiims while using Airplay from my phone; and I have found multiple ways to do the same thing: Airplay or casting to play from my phone, even adjusting the volume. And the latter is what makes me uncertain. I'll be fine with it but I think my wife probably won't use it because it's too complicated. Just putting a record or CD on is still a nice easy way to listen to music. We will see.

Oh, and since the Wiim devices are mostly add-ons I do get free rein to use my existing kit, or buy things like Homepods or soundbars which should all integrate. Again, we will see :lol:
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Interesting. I'm almost certain I'm going to buy the Wiim Ultra, and some reviews have said hold off if you want AirPlay2 as it's pending certification currently. I couldn't GAF as I don't know if I've ever knowingly used AirPlay for anything, however, the reviews imply it will be added via firmware, NOT by sending the device back for a replacement. :lol:
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It’s in the beta version of the next firmware so I’m sure it’ll be a download not a new device.

I’m interested to see how I end up using it when I have half a dozen different ways of playing the same track.
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I'm interested in actually understanding half of what you said. Like I get the gist of it all but until you try doing some of the stuff you mentioned, it sounds like you're talking a foreign language. :lol:
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And I think that is why my wife isn’t likely to use it 😂

There’s a lot of merit in a solid eco-system like Sonos if you want your family to be able to use the devices. And Sonos fucked up last year when they ruined their app and updated firmware, I understand.

What else is there? Apple kit should just work but it only really uses Apple Music, has a very limited range of devices and no external inputs. It’s a far cry from the days of Apple’s wifi range extenders having a built in Toslink connector to use them for streaming music.
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I think I'm in almost the opposite position. I actively want to discourage the other half from using any of the gear, she has appalling taste in music and the mechanical aptitude of a first year apprentice on a building site if she's lucky. So I wanna set up the new stereo downstairs away from everything to just have a place to sit and listen to music, then maybe have a nice setup in my office. So I don't really see a need to be streaming stuff to devices all over the house, but I may well be wrong as I've never tried any of this stuff.
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The multi-room thing is because I had it before from the Squeezebox eco-system and it’s nice to have the same stuff playing as you walk through the house.

When my wife was away and I was watching Glasto on the tv, I couldn’t hear it when I went to the kitchen to grab a beer. So I’d like to have that playing throughout. Won’t work though because it’s an external source, unless I’m happy with the lip-sync to the image being totally out 😂
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Jobbo wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:20 am And I think that is why my wife isn’t likely to use it 😂

There’s a lot of merit in a solid eco-system like Sonos if you want your family to be able to use the devices. And Sonos fucked up last year when they ruined their app and updated firmware, I understand.

What else is there? Apple kit should just work but it only really uses Apple Music, has a very limited range of devices and no external inputs. It’s a far cry from the days of Apple’s wifi range extenders having a built in Toslink connector to use them for streaming music.
Sonos CEO has been open about their plan to fix their issues, so power to them

https://www.sonos.com/en-us/blog/update ... 01RvtgVQAR

Saying that, it’s already pretty stable and the new interface is fine
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Wiim Mini is on offer at Amazon at this moment: £76.48. So I've ordered two.

The Apple Homepod sounds good but currently I can't find a way to link it to the Wiims for multi-room. But I think they are going to bring that back.

Sony soundbar sounds pretty decent too, though was bigger than I expected so is in a room which also has a stereo and therefore there's not a lot of point in adding it to the Wiim multi-room. Oh well :lol:
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