It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement

[V8Granite]

100% if the Mini was edging over then it’s crap luck from the Mini and the Cyclist not being observant.

As the Mini ended up 15 feet from where the accident happened then he was going too quickly imo. If he stopped within a couple of feet then he was being sensible with the move.

You can’t always fully see if a manouver is clear in those situations, so you drive/ ride accordingly.

Dave!

[dinny_g]

I think the Mini was turning right, not left

After 18 years, my secret identity has been revealed...



I see your point though. However, if I'm in the Mini and begin my turn right then try to inch forward until I can see clearly, there's still a significant chance I won't see a cyclist approaching at speed until it's too late, given the angle of the curve. I'll be halfway across the lane by the time I'm sure and if they're not cycling with due care and attention (as this cyclist wasn't') then accidents are inevitable.

I'd be interested to see the road layout from the Mini's point of view

[Rich B]

I see your point though. However, if I'm in the Mini and begin my turn right then try to inch forward until I can see clearly, there's still a significant chance I won't see a cyclist approaching at speed until it's too late, given the angle of the curve. I'll be halfway across the lane by the time I'm sure and if they're not cycling with due care and attention (as this cyclist wasn't') then accidents are inevitable.

I'd be interested to see the road layout from the Mini's point of view

its not hard to imagine, especially because there's a massive space from the Tesla to the side of the road. The mini could have easily moved forward enough to see no one was coming before proceeding.

[dinny_g]

Yeah I know Rich. I would not envy anyone driving regularly in a city these days

[Rich B]

Yeah I know Rich. I would not envy anyone driving regularly in a city these days

id like to think those rules apply where ever you drive! It's just a single line of traffic on a nice wide road.

Incidentally, I've spent HOURS standing about 50 yards from this exact spot - the Hampton court kids play area is just over the wall on the inside of the corner and we have a membership.

[Jobbo]

Do you spend your time there peering over the wall at accidents? I doubt Fail Army pay £250 a video though and I haven't seen You've Been Framed for years.

[mik]

I'd be interested to see the road layout from the Mini's point of view

And thanks to @Rich B 's INSIDE INFORMATION - you can.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4069932 ... &entry=ttu

[dinny_g]

Looking at that, I'd suggest that in order to have a clear view of oncoming cyclists, especially if it's a Van or 4x4 letting you out, you would already need to most of the way across the road before you'd have that clear view.

Although the perspective of google maps view might distort things.

And to be clear, I'm NOT suggesting he driver wasn't at fault - I'm suggesting that, given the particular geometry of that road, that perhaps traffic shouldn't be allowed to turn right there...

[mik]

Looking at that, I'd suggest that in order to have a clear view of oncoming cyclists, especially if it's a Van or 4x4 letting you out, you would already need to most of the way across the road before you'd have that clear view.

That’s true of many awkward junctions though. “Creep & peek” I think some driving instructors refer to it as? If you can't see that it is clear to proceed, you have to consider that it isn't.

From the camera bike, you clearly see the Mini approaching the junction for a fair period (at least 2 seconds I believe) - hence the driver had a pretty good opportunity to spot the cyclists too.

But I still maintain that if the cyclist had been squeezing his brake lever instead of his drinks bottle, this incident would have been one involving shouts & hand gestures only.

[dinny_g]

I suppose that's my point - if now, cyclists are entitled to cycle wherever they are legally allowed to be and no matter what the circumstances, it a car happens to be in that same space, it's automatically the Car's fault, then yeah, lots of junctions are going to need to change.

Or else extend the new cycling rights to include some new responsibilities. For example, taking a drink is perfectly acceptable but you must remain in complete control of your bike when approaching and crossing a junction

[mik]

Something different.

Pedestrian wanders out without looking (possibly thinking the road is one-way for all traffic, and not noticing the 2-way cycle lane?), but since they were crossing the road I think many cyclists would have anticipated the potential for that happening.

A brief toot on that nice horn when the cyclist started crossing the main carriageway would probably have prevented that collision.

[Simon]

If you look at the cycle lane coming the other way, it looks like it stops where it reaches this crossing - likely just a pedestrian crossing? And I think therefore the cyclist was riding on the pavement, then crossed the road, and the pedestrian didn't expect to get hit by a cyclist at the START of a cycle lane?

[Swervin_Mervin]

If you look at the cycle lane coming the other way, it looks like it stops where it reaches this crossing - likely just a pedestrian crossing? And I think therefore the cyclist was riding on the pavement, then crossed the road, and the pedestrian didn't expect to get hit by a cyclist at the START of a cycle lane?

The pedestrian just plain wasn't looking. The only thing the cyclist did wrong was not anticipating what was about to happen. Or, more likely, anticipating it and carrying on anyway.

[Simon]

Agreed on all of that, but I'd also suggest that the cyclist has been cycling on the pavement, then on a pavement crossing over to the start of the cycling lane. Anyone know whereabouts this is?

[Swervin_Mervin]

Looks like a cycle crossing to me

[dinny_g]

A cyclist hit a pedestrian.

It is, therefore, the cyclist's fault.

End of discussion.

[Mito Man]

Cyclist will be at fault regardless. My mum did the same thing to a cyclist a few years ago but much worse. She didn't look whilst crossing the road at the bottom of a hill and the cyclist crashed into her at quite some speed. She got a few cracked ribs and the cyclist went head first into a curb and was properly mangled, probably to the point of life changing from what was described. Despite this the Police kept telling my mum she can sue the cyclist.

[Ascender]

It's on everyone to look out for each other and ride/drive considerately and pay attention to what's going on. I don't think these small cycle lanes which often share the same pavement with pedestrians are helpful for anyone. They just introduce conflict. Segregation is the way to go. There's some at the top of Leith Walk in Edinburgh and there's people wandering all over them not even realising they're for bikes.

[scotta]

Another vine classic. Instead of braking he cycles in front of the car and uses his horn for video effect instead of braking.

Car was late on the indicator but why cycle up the inside of an indicating car mid turn.

[mik]

why cycle up the inside of an indicating car mid turn.

Because Germy Vile.