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It's not just cars, and it's not just stuff from the UK, the same pattern has been pointed out across all kinds of manufacturing, all over Europe & RoW.

Sanctions are nigh impossible to enforce 100% - once a (in this case) car has been delivered to a customer they're free to do whatever they like with it. With the right connections & enough money to pay off the people involved I imagine it becomes pretty easy to move a new car from Azerbaijan and register it in Russia.

The point of sanctions is to make the imports increasingly difficult & expensive. You could place secondary sanctions on Azerbaijan as a next step. I know the numbers look convincing but you'd need some solid proof that that's what's really happening. And it's not as if either of those countries is going to fall over themselves helping. It'll happen eventually though.

Cars are a bit trivial here - as dinny points out, UK industry is making money, and it's not as if a Rolls Royce going to kill many Ukrainian civilians.

Far more important is the high-tech industrial equipment. Making it harder / slower / more expensive to get that to Russian companies building equipment for the military is very important. That Sky article only touches on that right at the end. Cars much more sexy I guess.
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Did anyone see the Tucker Carlson in Russia videos? Those videos made it look like everything's rosy inside the country.
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Gavster wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:58 am Did anyone see the Tucker Carlson in Russia videos? Those videos made it look like everything's rosy inside the country.
Almost like it was propaganda?
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It seemed like Tucker was genuinely an idiot. I’ve only seen clips but things like him being mind blown at shopping trolleys being operated by inserting a coin or the cost of food being so much less and then comparing it to American prices whilst not understanding that the average wage in Russia is $500 a month so in reality it’s no different.
How fucking dense is that man?
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DaveE wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:53 pm
Gavster wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:58 am Did anyone see the Tucker Carlson in Russia videos? Those videos made it look like everything's rosy inside the country.
Almost like it was propaganda?
It aligns with what I've heard about my ex's family who live in Russia
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The US House of Representatives has FINALLY voted and have passed:

Seizing Russian assets

Sending $61bn of aid to Ukraine



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Indeed, Finally! Considering it's estimated more than 60% of that finding is being rolled.into broadband capability upgrades for US manufacturing the nutters held it up for a depressing amount of time.

Last week's Perun video was about US defense industry rebuilding.
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Better late than never but it’s almost like they want Russia to be tied up in a never ending war. As soon as Ukraine makes some inroads, the aid slows, when they really get in trouble things get into gear.
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