Official Countach disagreement poll. No it isn't. Yes it is.

As I can only choose one, my ultimate Countach would be

Poll ended at Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:51 pm

1. Super-early periscopo LP400. The design in its purest form
5
15%
2. Early LP400S. First stab at a more aggressive version
6
18%
3. LP400S Cannon Ball Run edition, with big rear wing and front wing too. Ladies and yeee-hah optional.
3
9%
4. LP5000S. Because Athena poster.
1
3%
5. QV with a big rear wing. Because Countach is all about the form, and function be damned.
12
35%
6. QV without a big rear wing. Function is paramount.
3
9%
7. Anniversary. Because I recently injury a head received.
2
6%
8. A replica with a big V8 that I could actually put some miles on and not destroy my investment
0
No votes
9. I wouldn't want any Countach. They are wedgy bilge.
2
6%
10. Pamela Anderson's toes. aka Rich_B's fantasy.
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 34

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mik
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nuttinnew wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:23 pm
Jobbo wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:52 pm
Jimmy Choo wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:36 pm Mik, none of us bothered to read any of that.
I still have that copy of Fast Lane so read it in the 1980s. So for at least 35 years it's been better without the rear wing and that won't change.

Does it mention anything about lift or stability?
(I've probably got a copy...somewhere...).
Yes. Martini notes that the wing lifts the nose and decreases stability at speed.
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I thought the wing originally provided too much rear downforce and lifted the front of the car as it acted as a pivot - a problem also encountered by the last XJR due to fitting the third brake light in the rear wing.
So to fix this they redesigned the wing with 0 degree angle so it would be neutral and no longer provide downforce.

Ideally a front splitter would have fixed the problem but they didn’t exist back then?
How about not having a sig at all?
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Thanks Jobbo.
mik wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:25 pm
nuttinnew wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:23 pm
Does it mention anything about lift or stability?
(I've probably got a copy...somewhere...).
Yes. Martini notes that the wing lifts the nose and decreases stability at speed.
I meant as standard/without wing. I remember comments that the Miura's front got light at speed and that people tended to ease off before it had run out of oomph but the only thing I can recall of the Countach is ~ish as you said and that they got the hang of mounting the wing so that it had minimal (if any) effect. I'll have to google a few things.
Mind you, ignore the aero effects, I've always had an image of the wing weighing a tonne and plonking it on made it squat and the nose point skywards, and that's what caused the problems.
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I can't find a wind tunnel look at the Countach :(
I'm hoping someone's done a simulation, or an aerodynamicist has done a Frank Stephenson on it.
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Jobbo wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:52 pm
Jimmy Choo wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:36 pm Mik, none of us bothered to read any of that.
I still have that copy of Fast Lane so read it in the 1980s. So for at least 35 years it's been better without the rear wing and that won't change.

The Anniversary's main crime is the rear lights, IMO; the rest of the changes aren't too awful in themselves but the taillights are so wonderful on all Countachs up to and including the QV that sticking some which look borrowed from a van in a plastic surround is utterly bizarre.
The rear lights are the same ( nicked from a 70s Alfa Romeo Alfetta saloon ) but yeah, swapping the big red surround which looked great in the chopped off rear quarters for a big slab of body coloured plastic was a bad choice.
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Loosely related tweet (as in not related, except for Countach content).

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Apparently this happened in April in Japan - Walter Wolf's old Countach. Shame.

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:( It'll probably get rebuilt, how original was it before?
A reply from Chris Goffey as well, so someone linked;

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