New integra
New integra
Yet another disappointing name revitalisation
https://www.evo.co.uk/honda/204098/2023 ... otype-form
Very generic design, could be mistaken for a merc cla, i30 sportback, even a modern Vauxhall insignia
https://www.evo.co.uk/honda/204098/2023 ... otype-form
Very generic design, could be mistaken for a merc cla, i30 sportback, even a modern Vauxhall insignia
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Re: New integra
Yeah, Insignia was my first thought.
But to be fair, people like us don't buy new cars, then we complain that there's no s/h cars we like. The manufacturers need to build stuff that sells.
But to be fair, people like us don't buy new cars, then we complain that there's no s/h cars we like. The manufacturers need to build stuff that sells.
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half the forum had a brand new Golf R or M140i at one point - if they build good cars, "we" do buy them.Sundayjumper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 7:26 pm Yeah, Insignia was my first thought.
But to be fair, people like us don't buy new cars, then we complain that there's no s/h cars we like. The manufacturers need to build stuff that sells.
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Thought it was a bmw from the rear shot I had seen.
But then I followed a merc home which I thought was a Lexus until I was close enough to see the badge
But then I followed a merc home which I thought was a Lexus until I was close enough to see the badge
Cheers, Harry
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Re: New integra
Only because there were crazy loss-leader lease deals going on. Who here has actually bought (/financed) a brand new car recently ? * My MiL did. A Renault Captur.
* We don't talk about shockdiamonds
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thinking back to that 520d still has me shaking my head!Sundayjumper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 7:55 pmOnly because there were crazy loss-leader lease deals going on. Who here has actually bought (/financed) a brand new car recently ? * My MiL did. A Renault Captur.
* We don't talk about shockdiamonds
It would be interesting to know whether the cheap Golf Rs actually made them money in the end - they carried on making them for long enough.
As a dealer said to me last week, the cars are just metal boxes, they don't make much profit off them - it's all about the finance agreements
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Re: New integra
Did you change your mind about the post?Sundayjumper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:14 pmThe pressure of being an heir. You wouldn't understand.
Edit: which actually reminds me of something else I was going to post.
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Re: New integra
Yeah
It would just get thrown back at me one day.
It would just get thrown back at me one day.
Re: New integra
Bah, missed it, couldn't think how to word a reply. Ah; fuck you and your failure. Hth.
Aaanyway, the new Integra;
Re: New integra
Also, how much more does it actually cost VW to make an ‘R’ over whatever the entry level model is these days? Perhaps £3k for a rear diff, better engine/brakes/wheels?Rich B wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:07 pmthinking back to that 520d still has me shaking my head!Sundayjumper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 7:55 pmOnly because there were crazy loss-leader lease deals going on. Who here has actually bought (/financed) a brand new car recently ? * My MiL did. A Renault Captur.
* We don't talk about shockdiamonds
It would be interesting to know whether the cheap Golf Rs actually made them money in the end - they carried on making them for long enough.
As a dealer said to me last week, the cars are just metal boxes, they don't make much profit off them - it's all about the finance agreements
They must still be making money selling a base model, so they’ll still be making more profit on an R as long as it gets sold to the finance company for more than that £3k uplift.
Porsche are the masters at this, with 911s only costing a small amount more to make than a Boxster, but selling for £30k+ more.
It’s also why BMW are always happy to knock £20k off an M5 five minutes after the launch day.
The cars hit the UK with about 40% margin in them. The manufacturer then decides how that is split between distribution and retailer.
So the factory is clearly making money at retail-40%, the dealer would normally have 12-18% to work with, and the remainder with distribution/manufacturers finance.
On the crazy advertised lease deals the retailer is normally accepting a fixed profit on a car.
My cheap M140 made the dealer just under £2k chassis profit and £400 finance commission. It was discounted by nearly 20% but distribution were putting money towards the deals to move metal.
Re: New integra
That's the most generic car side profile that I've ever seen, it looks like a car someone would design for a computer game that needs to look like every other car on the market, whilst not looking like one specific manufacturer.
Re: New integra
I don’t really get the moaning tbh. It’s not like the old integra was a classic design and a reasonably priced hot hatch with a manual is becoming a rare thing these days.
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Re: New integra
And yet.... my general impression is that people don't really haggle with dealers any more. Just pay the upfront price.Jimexpl wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:54 amAlso, how much more does it actually cost VW to make an ‘R’ over whatever the entry level model is these days? Perhaps £3k for a rear diff, better engine/brakes/wheels?Rich B wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:07 pmthinking back to that 520d still has me shaking my head!Sundayjumper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 7:55 pm
Only because there were crazy loss-leader lease deals going on. Who here has actually bought (/financed) a brand new car recently ? * My MiL did. A Renault Captur.
* We don't talk about shockdiamonds
It would be interesting to know whether the cheap Golf Rs actually made them money in the end - they carried on making them for long enough.
As a dealer said to me last week, the cars are just metal boxes, they don't make much profit off them - it's all about the finance agreements
They must still be making money selling a base model, so they’ll still be making more profit on an R as long as it gets sold to the finance company for more than that £3k uplift.
Porsche are the masters at this, with 911s only costing a small amount more to make than a Boxster, but selling for £30k+ more.
It’s also why BMW are always happy to knock £20k off an M5 five minutes after the launch day.
The cars hit the UK with about 40% margin in them. The manufacturer then decides how that is split between distribution and retailer.
So the factory is clearly making money at retail-40%, the dealer would normally have 12-18% to work with, and the remainder with distribution/manufacturers finance.
On the crazy advertised lease deals the retailer is normally accepting a fixed profit on a car.
My cheap M140 made the dealer just under £2k chassis profit and £400 finance commission. It was discounted by nearly 20% but distribution were putting money towards the deals to move metal.
Re: New integra
Because of brexit, Covid and the chip shortage, I think you're right at the moment!Explosive Newt wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:56 pm And yet.... my general impression is that people don't really haggle with dealers any more. Just pay the upfront price.
There's a severe shortage of decent sub-4 year old cars coming on to the market, and new cars have got long lead times.
Who would have believed in 2020 ago that I would have to wait 18 months for a Discovery Sport, which is just a facelift of a model launched six years ago?
If I hadn't needed my current Disco after September WBAC would have given me only £7k less than I paid for it three years ago!
It will be interesting to see if there's a sudden increase in supply at some point next year and how that alters the market.
Re: New integra
It looks like an MG6. Poor Honda. Make an awesome Type-R and the only criticism is it looks like a ripspeed catalogue on asteroids. They decide to build something to go under the radar and we all moan it looks like a shitty bar of soap!
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I think @nuttinnew posted a picture of an mg6 and no one noticed lol
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