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Mito Man wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:06 am Have you actually heard the mission statement for these idiots? They had a spokesperson on the news yesterday who said we’re going to have a weather phenomenon this summer which will cause huge droughts and mass extinction. Ridiculous. Almost as bad as the idiot who predicts the apocalypse every year.
Turn out you're full of shit, you lying little cunt. Try reading their website instead of making stuff up.

https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/the-emergency/
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ZedLeg wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:52 pm Protesters being denied bail is ridiculous.

I read that on the Beeb earlier. I guess the denying of bail is because of their likelihood to reoffend. Interfering with a train in the way they did is a specific offence. I guess they'll have a little more time to think about what they did. I watched the video of them - I guess the mummsy type doing it thought she'd get arrested, warned and then home in time for tea.
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Simon wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:04 pm
ZedLeg wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:52 pm Protesters being denied bail is ridiculous.

I read that on the Beeb earlier. I guess the denying of bail is because of their likelihood to reoffend. Interfering with a train in the way they did is a specific offence. I guess they'll have a little more time to think about what they did. I watched the video of them - I guess the mummsy type doing it thought she'd get arrested, warned and then home in time for tea.
Oh, and for the media to broadcast them doing it and then for them to rock up and plead 'not guilty' probably didn't put them on good terms with the judge.
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NotoriousREV wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:57 pm
Mito Man wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:06 am Have you actually heard the mission statement for these idiots? They had a spokesperson on the news yesterday who said we’re going to have a weather phenomenon this summer which will cause huge droughts and mass extinction. Ridiculous. Almost as bad as the idiot who predicts the apocalypse every year.
Turn out you're full of shit, you lying little cunt. Try reading their website instead of making stuff up.

https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/the-emergency/
I have no interest in wasting my time on their website, I’ve got all my information of them through their various spokespersons on the news. Here’s one of them...
https://news.sky.com/video/extinction-r ... w-11696104
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Looks like they’re targeting Heathrow tomorrow, and that should be sufficient to meet the definition of economic terrorism now.
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ZedLeg wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:20 pm I think the reaction to this kind of thing gets overblown by certain areas of the press. I'm on twitter pretty much constantly and I never heard about the Richard Madeley thing until I saw people laughing at a Daily Fail article about it.
Oi! I'll have you know it was that bastion of fine reporting, The Manchester Evening News, where I dun read it! :P
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Simon wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:04 pmI guess the denying of bail is because of their likelihood to reoffend.
I dunno... plod do the right thing and try to stop these poor people getting into more trouble and they’re criticised ...

There’s No pleasing some people... :lol:
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Mito Man wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:13 pm
NotoriousREV wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:57 pm
Mito Man wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:06 am Have you actually heard the mission statement for these idiots? They had a spokesperson on the news yesterday who said we’re going to have a weather phenomenon this summer which will cause huge droughts and mass extinction. Ridiculous. Almost as bad as the idiot who predicts the apocalypse every year.
Turn out you're full of shit, you lying little cunt. Try reading their website instead of making stuff up.

https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/the-emergency/
I have no interest in wasting my time on their website, I’ve got all my information of them through their various spokespersons on the news. Here’s one of them...
https://news.sky.com/video/extinction-r ... w-11696104
It’s no surprise to me that you choose ignorance.
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Nefarious wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:33 am Unfortunately, protests like this only tend to entrench people's pre-existing views, and in some ways may serve as a disincentive to action.

Basically, and I know I'm personally as guilty of this as the next person, people want their every-increasing consumerist quality of life above all else, and while they quite like the idea of a cleaner, less-fucked planet, they'd rather have their personal guilt assuaged by tickling around the edges than actually grasp the nettle and accept that their fundamental values have to change in order to make a meaningful impact.

Want three foreign holidays a year? Want to eat red meat seven days a week? Want to spend your weekends using pointless retail as a leisure activity? Sure, crack on with all that, so long as you make the right noises, forego plastic straws and sign the odd petition for somebody else to sort the problem. You too can feel smug as fuck as you drop half a dozen bottles off for recycling out of the back of your 3-ton SUV.

At the very very heart of the problem is that reducing environmental damage and increasing national wealth are directly contradictory objectives - tax polluting companies and they move to china, tax car production and people lose jobs, tax imported food and people's grocery bill goes up, tax road travel and people complain that their real wages have fallen due to increased commuting costs. As a nation, we are a million miles from saying "yes, I'm willing to forego more trinkets and baubles to save some animals I'm never going to see or protect a forest that won't even be planted until long after I'm dead".

And TV images of crusties being dragged away by the cops doesn't do much to sell the kind of fundamental lifestyle and value change that's needed. The sub-conscious messages are that environmentalism is extreme (so the little concessions you makes are a *fair* compromise), that taking any positive steps makes you more like those smelly people you hate (and more importantly, look down on), and that ultimately, it's all a bit pointless anyway.

If change is going to happen, it has to happen *within* the realm of established social and political norms. I hate to say it, but those pushing for change need to learn a lesson from the UKIP playbook - sell an idea that genuinely speaks to people's fears and desires, convert the support of the people you persuade into ballot box numbers, and scare mainstream political parties into incorporating the narrative into their own ideologies.
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mik wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:28 pm
Nefarious wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:33 am Unfortunately, protests like this only tend to entrench people's pre-existing views, and in some ways may serve as a disincentive to action.

Basically, and I know I'm personally as guilty of this as the next person, people want their every-increasing consumerist quality of life above all else, and while they quite like the idea of a cleaner, less-fucked planet, they'd rather have their personal guilt assuaged by tickling around the edges than actually grasp the nettle and accept that their fundamental values have to change in order to make a meaningful impact.

Want three foreign holidays a year? Want to eat red meat seven days a week? Want to spend your weekends using pointless retail as a leisure activity? Sure, crack on with all that, so long as you make the right noises, forego plastic straws and sign the odd petition for somebody else to sort the problem. You too can feel smug as fuck as you drop half a dozen bottles off for recycling out of the back of your 3-ton SUV.

At the very very heart of the problem is that reducing environmental damage and increasing national wealth are directly contradictory objectives - tax polluting companies and they move to china, tax car production and people lose jobs, tax imported food and people's grocery bill goes up, tax road travel and people complain that their real wages have fallen due to increased commuting costs. As a nation, we are a million miles from saying "yes, I'm willing to forego more trinkets and baubles to save some animals I'm never going to see or protect a forest that won't even be planted until long after I'm dead".

And TV images of crusties being dragged away by the cops doesn't do much to sell the kind of fundamental lifestyle and value change that's needed. The sub-conscious messages are that environmentalism is extreme (so the little concessions you makes are a *fair* compromise), that taking any positive steps makes you more like those smelly people you hate (and more importantly, look down on), and that ultimately, it's all a bit pointless anyway.

If change is going to happen, it has to happen *within* the realm of established social and political norms. I hate to say it, but those pushing for change need to learn a lesson from the UKIP playbook - sell an idea that genuinely speaks to people's fears and desires, convert the support of the people you persuade into ballot box numbers, and scare mainstream political parties into incorporating the narrative into their own ideologies.
Do we have any awards for well written insightful comnentary of the month or something? 8-)
Excellent post.

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Indeed. Well drafted, Mik :lol:
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:lol:
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Nef's post is a disaster, he leaves nothing for us to debate. The least he could've done is let us argue for a while longer first! :D
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ZedLeg wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:52 pm Protesters being denied bail is ridiculous.

Were denied or denied?
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Boom.

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unzippy wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:10 am
ZedLeg wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:52 pm Protesters being denied bail is ridiculous.

Were denied or denied?
They were denied bail by the judge.
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duncs500 wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:34 am Nef's post is a disaster, he leaves nothing for us to debate. The least he could've done is let us argue for a while longer first! :D
I disagree that the only way to work is within the system, people have been trying that for 30+ years and the change isn't happening fast enough.

Farhana Yamin was arrested on Wednesday for gluing herself to the ground outside the Shell offices. She's a lawyer who worked on the original Paris agreement. So there are people who have been trying to work on change within the system who think that too.

You're welcome Duncs ;) .
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Slow clap award for Emma Thompson who flew from LA to protest in London... 🤔
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Aye, missing the point of the protest a bit.
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Mito Man wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:33 am Protests here may bring global coverage but they achieve absolutely nothing
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