They must have been by virtue though. If she states a belief that is based upon fact, where does the offence lie for which she is entitled to be sacked?
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maybe in every day conversing (where tbh Today I don’t think Someone’s gender even needs to be referred to really), but not in a legal standing or anything like sport.
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Ok so basically terfs (or gender critical feminists as they like to be called) think that if you were born a male then that’s what you are and trans women are just men trying to invade women’s spaces. I’d need to read up on this case in particular a bit more to find out what the courts said but she was trying to say that her saying this was protected in some way and the court disagreed.Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:05 pmThey must have been by virtue though. If she states a belief that is based upon fact, where does the offence lie for which she is entitled to be sacked?
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The court basically said that being a prick to trans people on a subject they're obviously rather sensitive about isn't something you should expect to get away with in polite society.
Looking at this thread, I can't imagine why that would be
Basically, as trans (and other LGBTQetc) have historically been systematically abused, ignored, dehumanised and treated like shit and have only in the last couple of decades been deemed 'acceptable' by most in society (much alike homosexuality up until the 70s and even later), the judge concluded that the protection of their rights of identity are more important than the rights of someone to state that they are Unpersons etc without recourse, as that would be the result of a judgement the other way.He concluded: “If a person has transitioned from male to female and has a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC), that person is legally a woman. That is not something Ms Forstater is entitled to ignore. Ms Forstater’s position is that even if a trans woman has a GRC, she cannot honestly describe herself as a woman. That belief is not worthy of respect in a democratic society.
“Even paying due regard to the qualified right to freedom of expression, people cannot expect to be protected if their core belief involves violating others’ dignity and creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating, or offensive environment for them.”
Looking at this thread, I can't imagine why that would be
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That seems fair enough if that's the case. If you take Rowlings tweet and the responses the issue seems to be some conflation of sex and gender though. Albeit her #tags might suggest Rowling fully supports this Maya, which clearly blurs the lines a little.ZedLeg wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:20 pmOk so basically terfs (or gender critical feminists as they like to be called) think that if you were born a male then that’s what you are and trans women are just men trying to invade women’s spaces. I’d need to read up on this case in particular a bit more to find out what the courts said but she was trying to say that her saying this was protected in some way and the court disagreed.Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:05 pmThey must have been by virtue though. If she states a belief that is based upon fact, where does the offence lie for which she is entitled to be sacked?
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I was reading an article a little while ago where someone had studied the language used in reporting on trans people and it was very similar to the language that used to be used for gay people.
They’re predators, deviants, mentally unstable criminals.
The anti trans movement is just the latest battle in something that’s been going on since homosexuality was criminalised one the first place.
They’re predators, deviants, mentally unstable criminals.
The anti trans movement is just the latest battle in something that’s been going on since homosexuality was criminalised one the first place.
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Like I say it’s not the first time she’s done something transphobic on twitter and if you consider that she thought it was fine to invent a race of hook nosed goblins to run the banks in her kids book series she might just be a shitty person .Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:30 pmThat seems fair enough if that's the case. If you take Rowlings tweet and the responses the issue seems to be some conflation of sex and gender though. Albeit her #tags might suggest Rowling fully supports this Maya, which clearly blurs the lines a little.ZedLeg wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:20 pmOk so basically terfs (or gender critical feminists as they like to be called) think that if you were born a male then that’s what you are and trans women are just men trying to invade women’s spaces. I’d need to read up on this case in particular a bit more to find out what the courts said but she was trying to say that her saying this was protected in some way and the court disagreed.Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:05 pm
They must have been by virtue though. If she states a belief that is based upon fact, where does the offence lie for which she is entitled to be sacked?
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Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan by any stretch - I think she's a dick.
But there surely has to be an agreed distinction between sex and gender? Even the multiple press reports conflate the two, even though the Judge's findings make no reference to sex, just gender.
But there surely has to be an agreed distinction between sex and gender? Even the multiple press reports conflate the two, even though the Judge's findings make no reference to sex, just gender.
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Sex literally only refers to the genitals you’re born with, gender is how your personal identity relates to being male or female.
The interchangeability of the terms is because sex has been used to describe both in the past.
The interchangeability of the terms is because sex has been used to describe both in the past.
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Oh I’m sorry, if you’re bi I apologise.
I’d have thought you’d be bit more aware of these issues though tbh.
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I'm a middle-aged, male homo sapien.NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:39 pm It’s almost unbelievable that a group of white, middle-aged, right-leaning, straight cis men have failed to resolve this debate.
Other than that you can stick your labels and your divisive identity politics up your fucking arse.
There is no debate to be resolved.
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Clearlyevostick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:35 pmI'm a middle-aged, male homo sapien.NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:39 pm It’s almost unbelievable that a group of white, middle-aged, right-leaning, straight cis men have failed to resolve this debate.
Other than that you can stick your labels and your divisive identity politics up your fucking arse.
There is no debate to be resolved.
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No you’re right I shouldn’t assume like that and I guess if you’re not to up on this stuff you wouldn’t know that “did you just assume my gender?” is a hilarious line that bigots pull out when they’re being dismissive of lgbt+ people.
Sorry Rich, you do you.
Sorry Rich, you do you.
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It's kind of ironic that the title of this thread is literally what most LGBTQ+ people - of whom I count a solid half dozen (who are open about it, because being open about it often = abuse) as good friends - would think of this thread.
You know, the definition of a absolute fucking toilet.
You know, the definition of a absolute fucking toilet.
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I’ve been sharing the highlights in a group chat with some other opinionated queer types and they agree it’s a train wreck.
Been some good entertainment though .
Been some good entertainment though .
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