Gordon Murray T50 Live Launch
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I love it and thought Harry’s video was great. How can you go wrong with the “modern F1” pitch. The looks are very unique in some ways, but also very much of the current time don’t you think?
Must look at Driving Ambition to see if the fans are mentioned in there...
Must look at Driving Ambition to see if the fans are mentioned in there...
Cheers,
Mike.
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In the age of seamlessly power assisted everything I'm not sure they would tbh. Even within driving enthusiast circles "lightweight" is of niche appeal. Last "lightweight" to top ECOTY was the 1200kg Exige S wasn't it?V8Granite wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:22 amI think if more people drove a light car from time to time it would gain ground. There are so many benefits.RobYob wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:42 amBecause it's cheaper, easier and more marketable for most of them to add power, tyres and electrickery.speedingfine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:53 pm The weight obsession is also a car enthusiast touchstone and I don't understand why more manufacturers aren't chasing it as a holy grail in efficiency, never mind performance.
Let's face it, probably only Gordon Murray could actually get investment for something that forgoes headline figures for more cerebral fulfilment.
Dave!
Which other attribute do you compromise to get lightness?
Safety sells
Comfort sells
Cost is King
Raw performance sells
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Yeah, I always got the impression that his other projects were aimed at being picked up by large manufacturers for production whereas this is his thing.mik wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:39 amI think we have a slightly different scenario here though. In addition to normal funding someone would need to generate in order to bring something to market, he has hefty deposits from wealthy clients. According to Autocar
Most have already been snapped up by global car connoisseurs, notably in the US and Japan, each of whom has paid a £600,000 deposit for the privilege. A further £750,000 is due when their car is specified in detail, with the balance settled upon delivery.
As I stated earlier - I expect pitching this very strongly as “An F1 for teh twennies” has been crucial to secure many of these orders.
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So those deposits puts £36m in his account to develop the car (including producing 13 full cars for testing) to a point where those 60 initial buyers believe it’s real enough to proceed. Good luck to them - it does seem like an incredible product, I hope they improve the rear though!mik wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:39 amI think we have a slightly different scenario here though. In addition to normal funding someone would need to generate in order to bring something to market, he has hefty deposits from wealthy clients. According to Autocar
Most have already been snapped up by global car connoisseurs, notably in the US and Japan, each of whom has paid a £600,000 deposit for the privilege. A further £750,000 is due when their car is specified in detail, with the balance settled upon delivery.
As I stated earlier - I expect pitching this very strongly as “An F1 for teh twennies” has been crucial to secure many of these orders.
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I’ve finished watching Harry’s video about it and I still think it’s great.
It’s interesting to see how he uses 20 odd years of technological advancement to make something that still fits in with the design philosophy of the F1.
It’s interesting to see how he uses 20 odd years of technological advancement to make something that still fits in with the design philosophy of the F1.
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On reflection, I am not sure he's thought through every scenario.
Imagine you take delivery of your new T50. (Why did you order it with the drivers seat in purple Ostrich skin Jimmy?
![Confused :?](./images/smilies/icon_e_confused.gif)
You're making progress along a country road, revelling in the available grip, when you come across a section where Farmer Bill has been dragging his manure truck, and the contents have spilled onto the road...... well.... I don’t need to spell out what's going to happen next do I ?....
![Surprised :o](./images/smilies/icon_e_surprised.gif)
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After being sceptical to begin with Harry's vid has completely changed my mind. I still a manual is a daft idea though.
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I'm struggling to understand how the fan draws 8.5KW ?
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[mention]Zonda_[/mention] It’s the best bit ![Cool 8-)](./images/smilies/icon_cool.gif)
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40cm fan spinning at 7krpm. 8.5kw probably isn’t the steady-state power requirement at this speed, but the power needed to quickly accelerate it to this speed in order that it can actually respond quickly enough as part of the active aero system?
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Was impressed that he thinks the reduction in drag while the fan is running in streamline mode will give more benefit than the power it would take to run it.
Still think the back looks daft and wonder how long it will be until you see stick on plastic universal fans on eBay![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
Still think the back looks daft and wonder how long it will be until you see stick on plastic universal fans on eBay
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Cheers, Harry
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It's filtered, so not much really.mik wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:13 am
On reflection, I am not sure he's thought through every scenario.
Imagine you take delivery of your new T50. (Why did you order it with the drivers seat in purple Ostrich skin Jimmy?)
You're making progress along a country road, revelling in the available grip, when you come across a section where Farmer Bill has been dragging his manure truck, and the contents have spilled onto the road...... well.... I don’t need to spell out what's going to happen next do I ?....![]()
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Apparently acts as a ram air intake and increases power by quite a bit and provides thrust too. I’m not sure how it works as it’s not explained well in the Carfection video. The fan is situated behind the engine so how can it ram air into the intakeintegrale_evo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:37 am Was impressed that he thinks the reduction in drag while the fan is running in streamline mode will give more benefit than the power it would take to run it.
Still think the back looks daft and wonder how long it will be until you see stick on plastic universal fans on eBay![]()
![Confused :?](./images/smilies/icon_e_confused.gif)
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It can’t and it doesn’t. According to Autocar the ram effect on the intake at and above 150mph allows the Cosworth lump to make upwards of 700bhp though.
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Just seen something similar mentioned on the car magazine price
“ Finally, a V-max mode works just like Streamline mode, but takes top speed over consumption and gives the car a 30bhp boost using the 48V starter motor.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.car ... urray/t50/
Wizardry.
“ Finally, a V-max mode works just like Streamline mode, but takes top speed over consumption and gives the car a 30bhp boost using the 48V starter motor.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.car ... urray/t50/
Wizardry.
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So in V-Max mode the fan is used to create the “virtual long tail” and the alternator/starter provides an extra 30bhp at the crank. The fan isn’t contributing to the power output.
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Isn’t everything off the 1 48 volt motor?
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