Bye Bye Boris!

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Steal, lie, run public finances exclusively for your own benefit, dismantle any system of oversight for the civil service or judiciary, lie some more, but most importantly, bully and hamstring independent media so you control the narrative.

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Nefarious wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:45 am Steal, lie, run public finances exclusively for your own benefit, dismantle any system of oversight for the civil service or judiciary, lie some more, but most importantly, bully and hamstring independent media so you control the narrative.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/freedo ... y8ZZdlBeE4
It is really scary. the whole "anyone but Corbyn" or "I've always voted Tory and I'm too old to change" type arguments are looking ever more spurious.

Another report from a tribunal today saying Gove's department has to hand over details of tax payer funded research and potentially using tax payers money for anti independence propaganda.
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Chesham and Amersham by-election won by the Lib Dem’s with an 8000 majority; reversing the Tories’ 16000 majority in December 2019. That’s a massive swing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... s-57472032
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Jobbo wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:53 am Chesham and Amersham by-election won by the Lib Dem’s with an 8000 majority; reversing the Tories’ 16000 majority in December 2019. That’s a massive swing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... s-57472032
I guess the voters there are not GB News fans? :lol:
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Jobbo wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:53 am Chesham and Amersham by-election won by the Lib Dem’s with an 8000 majority; reversing the Tories’ 16000 majority in December 2019. That’s a massive swing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... s-57472032
Is this the start of a Tory slide or is it just a blip, though?
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Delphi wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 am
Jobbo wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:53 am Chesham and Amersham by-election won by the Lib Dem’s with an 8000 majority; reversing the Tories’ 16000 majority in December 2019. That’s a massive swing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... s-57472032
Is this the start of a Tory slide or is it just a blip, though?
Until there is a viable other option I think you're stuck with them for a very very very long time.
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Delphi wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 am
Jobbo wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:53 am Chesham and Amersham by-election won by the Lib Dem’s with an 8000 majority; reversing the Tories’ 16000 majority in December 2019. That’s a massive swing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... s-57472032
Is this the start of a Tory slide or is it just a blip, though?
You often get a protest vote in a by-election. I don't think the local HS2 and planning issues which have been mentioned are at all the reason for the swing though; I think the reasons are probably:

- How COVID has been handled
- The massive majority held by the Tories meaning it's safe to vote against, but also being misused to grab more executive power and remove checks and balances
- The cronyism of the massive contracts placed with friends and acquaintances

Bear in mind Buckinghamshire as a whole has not had an MP who is anything other than Tory since 1922 and the size of the swing, it could be the start of the backlash.
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Jobbo wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:46 am
Delphi wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 am
Jobbo wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:53 am Chesham and Amersham by-election won by the Lib Dem’s with an 8000 majority; reversing the Tories’ 16000 majority in December 2019. That’s a massive swing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... s-57472032
Is this the start of a Tory slide or is it just a blip, though?
You often get a protest vote in a by-election. I don't think the local HS2 and planning issues which have been mentioned are at all the reason for the swing though; I think the reasons are probably:

- How COVID has been handled
- The massive majority held by the Tories meaning it's safe to vote against, but also being misused to grab more executive power and remove checks and balances
- The cronyism of the massive contracts placed with friends and acquaintances

Bear in mind Buckinghamshire as a whole has not had an MP who is anything other than Tory since 1922 and the size of the swing, it could be the start of the backlash.
It's probably a combination of all of that, but I think point 2 coupled with a much lower than normal turnout will have been key.

I wouldn't underestimate how much these planning changes are getting up the back of traditional Tory voters. It's one of the big issues people discuss in my area.
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Bear in mind that if the turnout was an average 64% and every single extra voter had voted Tory, the result would have been neck and neck. That's how big the swing is.

Of course, you can't extrapolate on the basis that *every* extra vote would have gone to one party anyway.

Planning changes and HS2 will have a big effect on the decision of a relatively small number of voters; voting decisions when it comes to the polling booth are on the big issues of the day. Which is a particularly damning indictment of Boris's PR, and yet more evidence that opinion polls don't give any real indication of what people will do at an election.
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Broccers wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:15 am
Delphi wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 am
Jobbo wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:53 am Chesham and Amersham by-election won by the Lib Dem’s with an 8000 majority; reversing the Tories’ 16000 majority in December 2019. That’s a massive swing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... s-57472032
Is this the start of a Tory slide or is it just a blip, though?
Until there is a viable other option I think you're stuck with them for a very very very long time.
Probably.

I'm seeing this defeat of the Tory's as a very small glimmer of hope.

It's the feel good/best news of the day IMO 😂
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Marv wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:13 pm
Broccers wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:15 am
Delphi wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 am

Is this the start of a Tory slide or is it just a blip, though?
Until there is a viable other option I think you're stuck with them for a very very very long time.
Probably.

I'm seeing this defeat of the Tory's as a very small glimmer of hope.

It's the feel good/best news of the day IMO 😂
Marv you obs are a leftist. How will they do things better?
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Wanksock’s gone
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hanc ... -nrkrgss2t

You would think they could have chosen better phrasing than "fell on his sword"
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Wonder when Gina is going too?
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I wonder if this has been engineered for Boris not sacking him sooner.
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Wanksock 😂
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Explosive Newt wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:06 pm https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hanc ... -nrkrgss2t

You would think they could have chosen better phrasing than "fell on his sword"
At least Sajid was there to plug a gap :lol:
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Zonda_ wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:58 pm I wonder if this has been engineered for Boris not sacking him sooner.
I was wondering if there are more gropey revelations to appear in the Sunday papers.

That said, it is insane, insane that Hancock has presided over the biggest death toll in Western Europe, the care homes crisis, etc etc, but what gets him to go is a bit of a fumble in a corridor
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Explosive Newt wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:50 pm
Zonda_ wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:58 pm I wonder if this has been engineered for Boris not sacking him sooner.
I was wondering if there are more gropey revelations to appear in the Sunday papers.

That said, it is insane, insane that Hancock has presided over the biggest death toll in Western Europe, the care homes crisis, etc etc, but what gets him to go is a bit of a fumble in a corridor
Whoah there Leslie. Yes, Boris & Co have done appallingly, but the 'biggest death toll in (western) Europe is a really lazy argument and amazingly there are worse countries as illustrated by the characteristically excellent John Burn-Murdoch:

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Ok fair. But it agrees with me that decision making has not been amazing.
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