Bye Bye Boris!

[Gavin]

His credible deal may just be more of the same but given it is highly unlikely any deal will be better than staying in and trying to affect some changes perhaps that is the only solution.

[Jobbo]

I think it would be fairly easy to renegotiate a withdrawal agreement which kept the UK in the single market and customs union going forward. Labour aren't constrained by the Tories' red lines, for a start.

[NotoriousREV]

And what credible leave deal is this? Given that BJ only manage to secure a change to the WA which was actually along the lines of what the EU originally wanted anyway.

This. Is Corbyn going to take the current deal and modify it, or start with a Norway or Canada type deal? It’s just a nonsense if we can’t understand what sort of deal he’s going to chase.

[GG.]

I think this is a fairly clear policy from Labour. They are against No Deal, they don't like Boris's deal and once they get a credible deal, they'll put it back to the people.


But: it may be seen as just can-kicking, amongst an electorate bored of Brexit. And it's not a short message which they can keep repeating until it becomes an earworm.

Which is reliant on multiple further extensions from the EU to allow first the negotiation and then the referendum, ergo a much higher risk of no deal which they're ostensibly against and presumably postponing resolution on the issue until 2021, probably. Unfortunately there are enough gullible people out there to take what they say at face value rather than seeing it for what it is - a cynical attempt to try and fudge the issue to get voters from both sides.

[DeskJockey]

I think this is a fairly clear policy from Labour. They are against No Deal, they don't like Boris's deal and once they get a credible deal, they'll put it back to the people.


But: it may be seen as just can-kicking, amongst an electorate bored of Brexit. And it's not a short message which they can keep repeating until it becomes an earworm.

Which is reliant on multiple further extensions from the EU to allow first the negotiation and then the referendum, ergo a much higher risk of no deal which they're ostensibly against and presumably postponing resolution on the issue until 2021, probably. Unfortunately there are enough gullible people out there to take what they say at face value rather than seeing it for what it is - a cynical attempt to try and fudge the issue to get voters from both sides.

So exactly like the Tory approach then.

[Jobbo]

Unfortunately there are enough gullible people out there to take what they say at face value

Unlike Boris, I don't think Corbyn is lying. I do think he'll see it through.

I don't much like Corbyn, I don't like many Labour policies, but on this point I think he's got the most pragmatic stance.

[Simon]

The EU were pretty firm that they wouldn't be reopening the WA again. Yes, I know they said that last time, but I think they mean it this time.

[Gavin]

Did you manage to get your celebratory 50p coin, Tim? Now worth more than a Lloyds share.

56.7p as of 8.22am. I am not retiring on that!

Jobbo - when was the referendum to change from FPTP? I have no memory so I assume during my late teens - early twenties or before I was aware?

2011, Gav.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Un ... referendum

I voted “No”, not because I wanted FPTP, but because they chose what appeared to be the worst version of PR to me at the time.

Thank you, it rings the vaguest of bells. I guess it suites Tory and Labour parties to retain FPT, although the Greens and LibDems would presumably love PR in some form. It works well for Holyrood and EU elections and would seem a far better idea than let a cretin like Johnson run the country in to the ground with 35% of the vote.

[NotoriousREV]

I have a theory that simple AV doesn’t change the result. See the Labour Party leadership contest for details. The order never changes throughout the rounds.

[Jobbo]

The EU were pretty firm that they wouldn't be reopening the WA again. Yes, I know they said that last time, but I think they mean it this time.

They won't give an extension either, until one is requested. You forget that they are not negotiating by brinkmanship, and they don't really want us to leave. If there is a change of government that is a very obvious reason both to extent again, and renegotiate the withdrawal agreement. Particularly if the government charged with negotiating wishes to have a closer relationship.

[duncs500]

One thing is for sure, I hate this new Tory parrot fashion repetition of the chosen buzz-phrases. "get Brexit done" and "dither and delay".

[Jobbo]

"dither and delay"

That's going to backfire on them, I predict. They're the ones who left it until the last minute to negotiate with the EU, they're the ones who when they came back with a withdrawal agreement which Parliament voted to move to a second reading, decided instead to pull it and have a general election.

[NotoriousREV]

Classic Dom.

[Broccers]

http://www.keithvazmp.com/statement-from-keith-vaz-mp/ I think this lad should stand - seems the right fit

[Broccers]

Did you manage to get your celebratory 50p coin, Tim? Now worth more than a Lloyds share.

56.7p as of 8.22am. I am not retiring on that!

Held up quite well if you see their profits been wiped out by PPI.

The 50p coin now would be quite rare and therefore a lot more than 50p after they got nearly all melted - there will samples out there.

[Richard]

Has everyone got their paperwork in order for tomorrow? November 1st, the first full beautiful day of Brexit

[NotoriousREV]

It turns out I was right back in June:

BoJo is exactly who we need in charge at this point. He's utterly ineffectual, Brexit will fail under his leadership.

[Orange Cola]

Right folks, 100 pages and he’s gone. Get cracking!

Page 96 and we have a GE agreed with Boris having failed to deliver Brexit.

[evostick]

Was so lovely to hear Donald talking about Boris to Nigel last night

On LBC Broccers so it actually happened.

[Beany]

Disappointing lack of riots in the streets, as predicted by James 'proving nominative determinism wrong' Cleverly.