They're also melting down the Brexit 50p coins
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rnd=brexit
They're also melting down the Brexit 50p coins
Well I guess if the Tories win with an outright majority the people voting for them must accept that as a risk worth taking. I don't want Brexit, let alone no deal Brexit, but at the end of the day, if the electorate vote Tory in numbers than I guess they've accepted that risk and given their blessing. Even when democracy gives an answer we don't like, we have to accept it.Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:17 pmMaybe* because if the Tories do win with an outright majority they could put No Deal back on the table. So a GE risks No Deal still.duncs500 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:05 pm Genuine question, why does Corbyn keep saying he will only support an election "once no deal Brexit has been taken off the table"? Surely Boris has accepted the extension, so there will be no Brexit before the proposed election in any case.
Once elected, Corbyn won't have to put no deal Brexit on the table? Unless he's not at all confident of being elected? I'm sure he keeps banging on about how the people want him... I'm confused.
*I don't credit them with that much intelligence tbh. They just don't know where to pitch themselves, torn between the desires of members that keep them at the head of the party, and their traditional voters
Let’s just ignore why people won’t “get behind the thing“ for a moment. Triggering Article 50 when May did, was disastrous for Brexit. Failing to build any cross-party consensus was disastrous. Failing to work with Remainers was disastrous. Brexiteers love to shout about being the majority, but when it’s roughly half the country vs roughly half the country, running around like it was a 90:10 split isn’t going to work. May’s government failing to gain the consent of the losing side was, and remains, disastrous.
Nah, people didn't know what they were voting for in 2016, I don't respect that as democracy because it was built on false information.
Very true...NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:53 am Let’s just ignore why people won’t “get behind the thing“ for a moment. Triggering Article 50 when May did, was disastrous for Brexit. Failing to build any cross-party consensus was disastrous. Failing to work with Remainers was disastrous. Brexiteers love to shout about being the majority, but when it’s roughly half the country vs roughly half the country, running around like it was a 90:10 split isn’t going to work. May’s government failing to gain the consent of the losing side was, and remains, disastrous.
Most people won’t back down based on new information because psychologically this means being inconsistent and we’re hard-wired to be as consistent as possible. That’s why logical arguments don’t work.duncs500 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:55 amNah, people didn't know what they were voting for in 2016, I don't respect that as democracy because it was built on false information.
Now people know the reality, if they still want it then yes, we might as well get behind it and get it over and done with as it's clearly the will of people when equipped with proper information.
and yet you still try!NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:05 amThat’s why online arguments never work to change anyone’s minds, regardless of the subject.
I think most of the promises made by Leave have been shown to not be doable, people can actually see what the available deals entail, “Project Fear” has largely been shown to have been correct so far (yes it has) so the understanding of the consequences should be clearer. However, due to what I said earlier, most people won’t change their mind, or even admit that any of what I’ve just said is true.Rich B wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:17 amand yet you still try!NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:05 amThat’s why online arguments never work to change anyone’s minds, regardless of the subject.
As for people “knowing the reality” now to Enable them to vote on in a 2nd ref, do you honestly think the general public have any better understanding of the possible outcomes than before? I think we’ve established that parliament doesn’t even know that.
You can, because it’s a generalisation and the vast majority of voters don’t change their allegiance throughout their lives. It’s the swing voters and the Don’t Knows that win elections. And they’re about 10% of the population.
Ok you can say it, incorrectly as you can't compare the present with the past on these matters. I've said it before lots and lots of Labour full on life supporters will never vote for JC. I guess we can only see when he does agree to a Ge.NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:29 amYou can, because it’s a generalisation and the vast majority of voters don’t change their allegiance throughout their lives. It’s the swing voters and the Don’t Knows that win elections. And they’re about 10% of the population.
You should take that crystal ball of yours out on the campaign trail!NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:25 amI think most of the promises made by Leave have been shown to not be doable, people can actually see what the available deals entail, “Project Fear” has largely been shown to have been correct so far (yes it has) so the understanding of the consequences should be clearer. However, due to what I said earlier, most people won’t change their mind, or even admit that any of what I’ve just said is true.Rich B wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:17 amand yet you still try!NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:05 amThat’s why online arguments never work to change anyone’s minds, regardless of the subject.
As for people “knowing the reality” now to Enable them to vote on in a 2nd ref, do you honestly think the general public have any better understanding of the possible outcomes than before? I think we’ve established that parliament doesn’t even know that.
What is it you think I’m predicting about the future here?Rich B wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:35 amYou should take that crystal ball of yours out on the campaign trail!NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:25 amI think most of the promises made by Leave have been shown to not be doable, people can actually see what the available deals entail, “Project Fear” has largely been shown to have been correct so far (yes it has) so the understanding of the consequences should be clearer. However, due to what I said earlier, most people won’t change their mind, or even admit that any of what I’ve just said is true.Rich B wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:17 am and yet you still try!
As for people “knowing the reality” now to Enable them to vote on in a 2nd ref, do you honestly think the general public have any better understanding of the possible outcomes than before? I think we’ve established that parliament doesn’t even know that.
The “reality” of either of the leave options is still pretty far from clear - the deal option isn’t even confirmed.NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:36 amWhat is it you think I’m predicting about the future here?Rich B wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:35 amYou should take that crystal ball of yours out on the campaign trail!NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:25 am
I think most of the promises made by Leave have been shown to not be doable, people can actually see what the available deals entail, “Project Fear” has largely been shown to have been correct so far (yes it has) so the understanding of the consequences should be clearer. However, due to what I said earlier, most people won’t change their mind, or even admit that any of what I’ve just said is true.
I knew you were a Daily Express reader Never get it right.
But it still gets cold in winter, right?