Labour Party

[jamcg]

Labours problems started with giving the leadership to the wrong Milliband brother

[V8Granite]

Corbyn basically did wanted North Korea and had too many nibbles and dips with terrorists.

Starmer, genuinely no idea if he is good or bad for the country, he just seems to be a wet flannel with no plan.

Dave!

[ZedLeg]

Corbyn basically did wanted North Korea and had too many nibbles and dips with terrorists.

Theresa May and Priti Patel have pushed us further down the road of oppressive surveillance state than anything Corbyn ever suggested.

I’d take the “friends with terrorists” criticism more seriously if the government didn’t sell weapons to human rights violators too.

[Delphi]

A lot of Labour's problems stem from the fact that a good 80% of the press is Tory. Look at the hatchet job they did on Corbyn.

No they aren't

Yes they are.

Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph and Times are all Tory which just leaves the Mirror and Guardian on the left.

[Jimmy Choo]

Johnson's cuntery.

Sounds like the name of an 18th Century gynecologists

We call him Jacob Rees-Mogg.

[drcarlos]

A lot of Labour's problems stem from the fact that a good 80% of the press is Tory. Look at the hatchet job they did on Corbyn.

No they aren't

Yes they are.

Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph and Times are all Tory which just leaves the Mirror and Guardian on the left.

Independent, plus the two free London papers with large circulations in the city (metro and es) are also left leaning.

[ZedLeg]

No they aren't

Yes they are.

Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph and Times are all Tory which just leaves the Mirror and Guardian on the left.

Independent, plus the two free London papers with large circulations in the city (metro and es) are also left leaning.

The Metro is left leaning? Every time I've picked one up it just seems to be recycled stories from the day before's Mail.

ETA it's owned by DMG Media so very definitely not left leaning.

[Beany]

There's also the issue of social media, which arguably has more influence on peoples opinions (people take more heed from things their friends say than the press say these days), which is intentionally designed to stoke controvers...sorry, 'engagement', and the right leaning types tend to have more money to pump into that.

Social meedja, the way it currently is, set up to reinforce echo chambers and 'spark engagement' genuinely has a lot to answer for in terms of how politics has skewed. I don't have an answer for it, other than literally banning paid for politically motivated content (which would likely make little functional difference now that pandoras box has been opened) - it just is what it is.

And it is shite.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Assuming we're including online press (where most people I'd wager get their news from) then I'm sure the split becomes a lot more even. Corbyn did not fail because of a Tory press.

[ZedLeg]

There was a concerted attack on Corbyn, from the press, social media and elements of his own party.

There's no denying that he had pulled Labour up to a level of popularity it hadn't seen for a long-time and the attacks intensified as the popularity rose. What's also become clear is that trying to move the party back towards the centre has been a disaster for them. They don't know what to do in the face of a populist government.

[dinny_g]

[Rich B]

There's no denying that he had pulled Labour up to a level of popularity it hadn't seen for a long-time and the attacks intensified as the popularity rose.

he lost 60 seats.

[ZedLeg]

There's no denying that he had pulled Labour up to a level of popularity it hadn't seen for a long-time and the attacks intensified as the popularity rose.

he lost 60 seats.

Yes, in the midst of the aforementioned attacks and Boris convincing everyone who voted leave that he was the only person that could do it.

I'm not saying Corbyn was perfect but Labour have been in a sorry state for a long time and imo they were on a better track with him than they were before or since.

[dinny_g]

If I understand the point...

2017 GE - Corbyn gains 30 seats

ergo - he's becoming popular and dangerous to let's get our fleet street chums to tear him apart (quote - fat cats sitting on Chesterfield suites in oak panelled private members club rooms, lighting cigars with £50 notes)

2019 - He looses 60 seats

Nothing to do with him, or his policies, or his antisemitism, or his terrorist apologising ways.. No - it's all those bully's in the "Media"

or some such horseshite...

EDIT - and to suggest that Social Media is a right wing tool is just laughable Zed.

[ZedLeg]

If I understand the point...

2017 GE - Corbyn gains 30 seats

ergo - he's becoming popular and dangerous to let's get our fleet street chums to tear him apart (quote - fat cats sitting on Chesterfield suites in oak panelled private members club rooms, lighting cigars with £50 notes)

2019 - He looses 60 seats

Nothing to do with him, or his policies, or his antisemitism, or his terrorist apologising ways.. No - it's all those bully's in the "Media"

or some such horseshite...

EDIT - and to suggest that Social Media is a right wing tool is just laughable Zed.

I didn't say that social media is a right wing tool Dinny, it's an effective way of disseminating information that very few people fact check though.

Like I said, Corbyn wasn't perfect. Although as far as I know there's no evidence of him being an anti semite or encouraging such behaviour?

As for the terrorist apologising, as I said further up the criticism comes off a bit hollow when our government sells weapons that are then used against civilians.

[Beany]

...

EDIT - and to suggest that Social Media is a right wing tool is just laughable Zed.

No, I'm saying the right are better at utilising it.

How you got that from what I posted is a perfect example though.

Didn't read it,
didn't digest it,
spouted inaccurate toot about it as a result for all and sundry to see.

Literally how politics of any stripe is handled across all social media

[dinny_g]

...

EDIT - and to suggest that Social Media is a right wing tool is just laughable Zed

No, I'm saying the right are better at utilising it.

How you got that from what I posted is a perfect example though.

Didn't read it,
didn't digest it,
spouted inaccurate toot about it as a result for all and sundry to see.

Literally how politics of any stripe is handled across all social media

Correct - you didn't read it, you didn't digest it and you spouted inaccurate toot about it

you've somewhat proved your own point.

[Beany]

I'm looking for Zeds screed about social media in this thread, all I can see is an offhand mention if it being used to spread bollocks about Corbyn - hence I thought you were replying to my screed about social media

[Jimmy Choo]

I'm looking for Zeds screed about social media in this thread, all I can see is an offhand mention if it being used to spread bollocks about Corbyn - hence I thought you were replying to my screed about social media

No one - and I mean no one wants to even think about your social media, Beany!

[dinny_g]

I just think the net benefit to liberal and socialist parties of social media far outweigh any perceived right wing bias at an institutional level.