Labour Party
Labour Party
Doesn't look like it's long for the world in it's current form.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... aving-push
What a mess they've made of things.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... aving-push
What a mess they've made of things.
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Re: Labour Party
It's staggering to think that there hasn't really been a true Labour party in power since I was 1yo.
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The Labour Party's big problem is that they don't have a coherent position on who they are. The left and centre of the party spend so much time fighting that they're not a serious threat to the walking open goal that is Johnson's cuntery.ZedLeg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:08 pm Doesn't look like it's long for the world in it's current form.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... aving-push
What a mess they've made of things.
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Sounds like the name of an 18th Century gynecologists
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Exactly that, Labour should have had no problem building a majority over the last two years but they've pissed it away trying to entice people who won't vote for them while burying the people who were paying their fees. Starmer has been a disaster for them, who wants to see the leader of the opposition constantly agreeing with the prime minister over his own party supporters.Jimmy Choo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:55 pmThe Labour Party's big problem is that they don't have a coherent position on who they are. The left and centre of the party spend so much time fighting that they're not a serious threat to the walking open goal that is Johnson's cuntery.ZedLeg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:08 pm Doesn't look like it's long for the world in it's current form.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... aving-push
What a mess they've made of things.
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Re: Labour Party
Labour's problem is a reluctance to accept the old Left wing politics just doesn't hold enough appeal, nationally, to win or sustain a majority
New Labour was a success because they kept just enough of the left not to alienate too many of the the rank and file but adopted enough of the centrist and to a certain extent, rightish policies to entice enough Liberal or conservative leaning voters to their party.
New Labour was a success because they kept just enough of the left not to alienate too many of the the rank and file but adopted enough of the centrist and to a certain extent, rightish policies to entice enough Liberal or conservative leaning voters to their party.
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I don't think that's the case, left wing politics still holds appeal for a large proportion of the public. The issue that labour has is that every time the Murdoch and Dacre press start aiming at them they shit themselves and backpedal.dinny_g wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:32 pm Labour's problem is a reluctance to accept the old Left wing politics just doesn't hold enough appeal, nationally, to win or sustain a majority
New Labour was a success because they kept just enough of the left not to alienate too many of the the rank and file but adopted enough of the centrist and to a certain extent, rightish policies to entice enough Liberal or conservative leaning voters to their party.
Obviously their other problem is that they've essentially lost Scotland as they're pro union. That's not going to change because they've traditionally needed the Scottish vote to get over the line.
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I, respectfully, disagree. Most people are still largely centrist imo save for a few noisy ones in their echo chambers), albeit perhaps increasingly polarised either left or right on certain very specific matters. The two party system is now wholly unfit for purpose as it was always based on left or right.ZedLeg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:37 pmI don't think that's the case, left wing politics still holds appeal for a large proportion of the public. The issue that labour has is that every time the Murdoch and Dacre press start aiming at them they shit themselves and backpedal.dinny_g wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:32 pm Labour's problem is a reluctance to accept the old Left wing politics just doesn't hold enough appeal, nationally, to win or sustain a majority
New Labour was a success because they kept just enough of the left not to alienate too many of the the rank and file but adopted enough of the centrist and to a certain extent, rightish policies to entice enough Liberal or conservative leaning voters to their party.
Obviously their other problem is that they've essentially lost Scotland as they're pro union. That's not going to change because they've traditionally needed the Scottish vote to get over the line.
We're fucked, basically.
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Eh I don't know, obviously I'm not the best judge as my political circle is practically communist but it seems that among people my age and younger the range seems to go from moderately to extremely left wing. Obviously the aging population tends to push the politics the other way but I'm not sure we'll see the slide to the centre right that you would normally expect as millenials and Gen Z get older.Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:40 pmI, respectfully, disagree. Most people are still largely centrist imo save for a few noisy ones in their echo chambers), albeit perhaps increasingly polarised either left or right on certain very specific matters. The two party system is now wholly unfit for purpose as it was always based on left or right.ZedLeg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:37 pmI don't think that's the case, left wing politics still holds appeal for a large proportion of the public. The issue that labour has is that every time the Murdoch and Dacre press start aiming at them they shit themselves and backpedal.dinny_g wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:32 pm Labour's problem is a reluctance to accept the old Left wing politics just doesn't hold enough appeal, nationally, to win or sustain a majority
New Labour was a success because they kept just enough of the left not to alienate too many of the the rank and file but adopted enough of the centrist and to a certain extent, rightish policies to entice enough Liberal or conservative leaning voters to their party.
Obviously their other problem is that they've essentially lost Scotland as they're pro union. That's not going to change because they've traditionally needed the Scottish vote to get over the line.
We're fucked, basically.
I mean, I'm 37 and if anything I'm more left wing than I was 15 years ago.
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Education directs people to the left. Its run by the left. They get media jobs and become massive leftists.
You would think with all that ammo they would walk it - not even mentioning the millions of voters tony let in under immigration.
They really must be that bad.
You would think with all that ammo they would walk it - not even mentioning the millions of voters tony let in under immigration.
They really must be that bad.
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Re: Labour Party
A lot of Labour's problems stem from the fact that a good 80% of the press is Tory. Look at the hatchet job they did on Corbyn.
If you get all wobbly-lipped about the opinion of Internet strangers, maybe it's time to take a bath with the toaster as you'll never amount to sh1t anyway.
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Corbyn was a disaster, with or without the press.
Starmer's current problem is either that he's backing up the Tories against the 'working man' (see his upcoming support for raising NI to pay for social care - a levy that only working people will pay and not anyone who actually uses social care), or he's criticising the Tories but offering no credible alternative plan of his own.
Labour needs to start offering a realistic alternative rather than spending the days shouting at clouds.
Starmer's current problem is either that he's backing up the Tories against the 'working man' (see his upcoming support for raising NI to pay for social care - a levy that only working people will pay and not anyone who actually uses social care), or he's criticising the Tories but offering no credible alternative plan of his own.
Labour needs to start offering a realistic alternative rather than spending the days shouting at clouds.
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Aye, the centrist half who then brought Starmer in. Good work lads
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