Coronavirus

User avatar
Broccers
Posts: 5666
Joined: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:37 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by Broccers »

Vaccine doesnt work then
User avatar
dinny_g
Posts: 5253
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by dinny_g »

July 19th - no surprise really
JLv3.0 wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:26 pm I say this rarely Dave, but listen to Dinny because he's right.
Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:57 pm but Dinny was right…
User avatar
Simon
Posts: 4738
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by Simon »

Nope, next week for me.
The artist formerly known as _Who_
User avatar
dinny_g
Posts: 5253
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by dinny_g »

Re-booked my second Jab to Friday...

Quote fancy being fully covered now, especially as I'm going to start going into the Office

Holiday to Ireland, I'm guessing, is now Out. Going to organise Plan C (Static in Selsea) in the hope I can find Plan B (Self Catering by the sea) once it's 100% out.
JLv3.0 wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:26 pm I say this rarely Dave, but listen to Dinny because he's right.
Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:57 pm but Dinny was right…
User avatar
Simon
Posts: 4738
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by Simon »

They say the NHS is going to start contacting people to bring forward the second jab for over 40's to 8 weeks

I'm wondering if it's worth holding out, as according to them the protection is better if you can wait to 12 weeks.
The artist formerly known as _Who_
User avatar
Swervin_Mervin
Posts: 4709
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:58 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by Swervin_Mervin »

I think beyond 8 weeks the benefits become more marginal. THe main motivating factor for that timeframe initially was to get as many 1st jabs in arms. Given everyone under 40 is not getting the AZ jab, I'd imagine there'll be a fair amount of that vaccine swimming around in the system now. I haven't rebooked mine yet but probably will at some point this week.
User avatar
mik
Posts: 11633
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:15 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by mik »

As I have mentioned previously - there wasn't time to run multiple clinical trials - each manufacturer had to run a trial with the regime that they thought most likely to provide strong results. One chance to throw their hat into the ring, and since they correctly predicted that politicians and Joseph Public would focus almost entirely on the % effectiveness from the trial population and then state them as fact (without any statistical confidence intervals etc).... the majority went with a trial based around a 2-dose regime.

It could be that some of the vaccines actually achieve 99.999% of their final effectivity after only a single dose. Or they could be only 12.7958% of their final effectiveness following the first dose only.

It could be that separating your AZ jabs by precisely 3months, 9 days, 8hrs, 3mins and 27seconds will give you eternal life.

Its all speculation. The only things we can make judgement on are the results achieved based on the regime that was submitted for trial.
RobYob
Posts: 2470
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by RobYob »

Had no trouble bringing our 2nd AZ jabs forward from the end of July to near the start which is good.
drcarlos
Posts: 1352
Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:17 am

Re: Coronavirus

Post by drcarlos »

mik wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:51 pm As I have mentioned previously - there wasn't time to run multiple clinical trials - each manufacturer had to run a trial with the regime that they thought most likely to provide strong results. One chance to throw their hat into the ring, and since they correctly predicted that politicians and Joseph Public would focus almost entirely on the % effectiveness from the trial population and then state them as fact (without any statistical confidence intervals etc).... the majority went with a trial based around a 2-dose regime.

It could be that some of the vaccines actually achieve 99.999% of their final effectivity after only a single dose. Or they could be only 12.7958% of their final effectiveness following the first dose only.

It could be that separating your AZ jabs by precisely 3months, 9 days, 8hrs, 3mins and 27seconds will give you eternal life.

Its all speculation. The only things we can make judgement on are the results achieved based on the regime that was submitted for trial.
You aren't implying that there might have been a lack of testing are you Mik?
User avatar
mik
Posts: 11633
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:15 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by mik »

drcarlos wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:38 pm
mik wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:51 pm As I have mentioned previously - there wasn't time to run multiple clinical trials - each manufacturer had to run a trial with the regime that they thought most likely to provide strong results. One chance to throw their hat into the ring, and since they correctly predicted that politicians and Joseph Public would focus almost entirely on the % effectiveness from the trial population and then state them as fact (without any statistical confidence intervals etc).... the majority went with a trial based around a 2-dose regime.

It could be that some of the vaccines actually achieve 99.999% of their final effectivity after only a single dose. Or they could be only 12.7958% of their final effectiveness following the first dose only.

It could be that separating your AZ jabs by precisely 3months, 9 days, 8hrs, 3mins and 27seconds will give you eternal life.

Its all speculation. The only things we can make judgement on are the results achieved based on the regime that was submitted for trial.
You aren't implying that there might have been a lack of testing are you Mik?
I am not.

I made the analogy with Porsche N-rated tyres before.

The Michelin Hypersport 4SS4S released next year may be the best tyre for every 911 in history, but regardless of that Porsche would not award an N-rating until they had tested it, and loads of people won’t fit them for fear of insurance issues.

Testing takes time. You can rely on your test results and the results from Health Authority assessments of the vaccines - it is a rigorous process. You can’t now rely on any other speculation - even if it later proves to be true.

Eternal life mate - follow the timing above!
User avatar
Broccers
Posts: 5666
Joined: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:37 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by Broccers »

We've been done up like kippers (fish, not ukippers).

Embarrassing for those who never doubted it wasnt true tho, being wrong is never easy.
User avatar
dinny_g
Posts: 5253
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by dinny_g »

JLv3.0 wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:26 pm I say this rarely Dave, but listen to Dinny because he's right.
Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:57 pm but Dinny was right…
User avatar
ZedLeg
Posts: 6074
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:19 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by ZedLeg »

Aye, who could've seen the rampant social media dumbfuckery around covid and the "MSM" culminating in that sort of bullshit.
An absolute unit
User avatar
Broccers
Posts: 5666
Joined: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:37 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by Broccers »

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:43 pm Aye, who could've seen the rampant social media dumbfuckery around covid and the "MSM" culminating in that sort of bullshit.
Hold the front page - I think I agree.

MSM needs to hang with their wanky percentages and lack of perspective. Surely they cant all have been that stupid.
User avatar
Simon
Posts: 4738
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by Simon »

dinny_g wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:30 pm https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbc- ... -tg593wt9d

Yikes... :shock:
Wow, that lot want rounding up, loading onto a double decker and dropping off a cliff don't they?
The artist formerly known as _Who_
User avatar
dinny_g
Posts: 5253
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by dinny_g »

Still not clear what their problem with BBC is ?? 🤷🏻‍♂️
JLv3.0 wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:26 pm I say this rarely Dave, but listen to Dinny because he's right.
Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:57 pm but Dinny was right…
User avatar
Simon
Posts: 4738
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by Simon »

They reported the 'fake virus' so they must be complicit.
The artist formerly known as _Who_
User avatar
dinny_g
Posts: 5253
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by dinny_g »

Good God almighty, surely not???
JLv3.0 wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:26 pm I say this rarely Dave, but listen to Dinny because he's right.
Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:57 pm but Dinny was right…
User avatar
ZedLeg
Posts: 6074
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:19 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by ZedLeg »

Yep, it’s all a big control conspiracy between government and the press.
An absolute unit
User avatar
Beany
Posts: 6268
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus

Post by Beany »

I know that eugenics is bad....


....but is it really that bad? I mean, we could use just a little bit of it, right? :?
Post Reply