Coronavirus

[Broccers]

Looks pretty much as you'd expect.

Looks pretty wank considering the miracle vaccine is in all the vulnerable already.

[Rich B]

Looks pretty much as you'd expect.

Looks pretty wank considering the miracle vaccine is in all the vulnerable already.

Did you expect them to prioritise opening pubs over trying to get kids back to school?

[Broccers]

Looks pretty much as you'd expect.

Looks pretty wank considering the miracle vaccine is in all the vulnerable already.

Did you expect them to prioritise opening pubs over trying to get kids back to school?

I'm not bothered about either just people getting back to work is my concern.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Depressing state of affairs in the EU. Political leaders have managed to do a great job of panning the AZ vaccine to the extent that in Germany they've only used c100,000 of the c700,000 they've received. Italian medics advising people to not have it etc. In Germany, as they aren't told what they're going to get people just aren't turning up for their vaccine appointments because they don't want the AZ one. The cocks in charge could at least send the AZ vaccines to those countries that are happy to use them.

Meanwhile the Croatians have joined the likes of Hungary and ordered a load of the Sputnik vaccine. France is staring down the barrel of a long lockdown as cases are steady at c20k/day.

So that EU unity that was the basis of the delayed procurement process is really working out for them now

[Swervin_Mervin]

Looks pretty wank considering the miracle vaccine is in all the vulnerable already.

Did you expect them to prioritise opening pubs over trying to get kids back to school?

I'm not bothered about either just people getting back to work is my concern.

Going to struggle to get back to work if your kids are at home.

I can't fvcking wait for them to go back

[duncs500]

This better be totally wrong

The early leaks on the BBC are saying 29th March fo two households meeting outdoors, so I'd be surprised if outdoor pubs and restaurants are even that early on that basis.

It's all going to be very conservative by the looks of it. A few more pub landlords will probably be jumping off bridges today.

I have no problem with kids going back first, it boosts everything because more adults can go back to work. Let's see what the full picture is, but it already looks like it will be hard to swallow for hospitality.

[duncs500]

My question is, if we open up and the infection rate spikes but the mortality / serious illness rate doesn't (due to the vaccines). Does that mean another lockdown or not?

Looks like they are saying a rise in infections itself will not be a trigger to reverse the unlocking, only if it is resulting in a lot of hospital admissions. So that pretty much answers my question.

I'm glad because when those dirty little urchins go back to school you're bound to see some more transmission.

[V8Granite]

I cannot wait for the schools to go back. Maxwell is fine with it all but Connor is really struggling.

That plan looks sensible to me, the sooner every adult is available for work then the sooner some money can pump around the economy.

Dave!

[duncs500]

We went for a walk with my mum at the weekend (we're in a bubble with her before anyone starts). She said she was feeling quite emotional lately and gets sad because of the loneliness of this whole thing. It wasn't a depressing conversation or anything on her part, but still hard to listen to.

I can only imagine how hard it has been for a lot of older people that are on their own.

The village pub is obviously at the centre of village socialising and a landlord finally took it over and managed to open it in the autumn for a few weeks before lockdown started again.

[Nathan]

I still can't comprehend why Nurseries were allowed to be open through most of this

[Rich B]

I still can't comprehend why Nurseries were allowed to be open through most of this

to be brutally honest, neither can I. I'm incredibly thankful they were though.

However, the main difference compared to schools has been the group size and control available. Our nursery has small group sizes (around 6) with strict separation at all times including staff. We have had one case in the last 6 months and the nursery group was instantly closed for 2 weeks and it went no further.

[Nathan]

That's an unusually small group size, but the fact remains that each could carry and transmit

[Rich B]

That's an unusually small group size,

is it? The minimum ratio of carer to child ratios for child minding are

Under 2 yo- 1 carer 3 children
2-3 yo- 1 carer 4 children
3-5 yo- 1 carer 8 children

Most of the rooms have 2 carers (which is normal every nursery we saw), so all the under 3s are a max size of 8 by law.

[Nathan]

I don't really know TBH !

[integrale_evo]

Depressing state of affairs in the EU. Political leaders have managed to do a great job of panning the AZ vaccine to the extent that in Germany they've only used c100,000 of the c700,000 they've received. Italian medics advising people to not have it etc. In Germany, as they aren't told what they're going to get people just aren't turning up for their vaccine appointments because they don't want the AZ one. The cocks in charge could at least send the AZ vaccines to those countries that are happy to use them.

Meanwhile the Croatians have joined the likes of Hungary and ordered a load of the Sputnik vaccine. France is staring down the barrel of a long lockdown as cases are steady at c20k/day.

So that EU unity that was the basis of the delayed procurement process is really working out for them now

Meanwhile here studies have shown one dose of the AZ vaccine reduces hospitalisation from corona by 94% after 4 weeks, while Pfizer is 85%. Real world people who have had it, not just medical trials.

That’s if I’ve just understood what they said on the news on the radio correctly.

[duncs500]

That's my understanding, it seems AZ were always a lot more comfortable with the prioritising of getting first doses to people than Pfizer, so it kinda makes sense (not that the Pfizer numbers are bad).

[Swervin_Mervin]

Depressing state of affairs in the EU. Political leaders have managed to do a great job of panning the AZ vaccine to the extent that in Germany they've only used c100,000 of the c700,000 they've received. Italian medics advising people to not have it etc. In Germany, as they aren't told what they're going to get people just aren't turning up for their vaccine appointments because they don't want the AZ one. The cocks in charge could at least send the AZ vaccines to those countries that are happy to use them.

Meanwhile the Croatians have joined the likes of Hungary and ordered a load of the Sputnik vaccine. France is staring down the barrel of a long lockdown as cases are steady at c20k/day.

So that EU unity that was the basis of the delayed procurement process is really working out for them now

Meanwhile here studies have shown one dose of the AZ vaccine reduces hospitalisation from corona by 94% after 4 weeks, while Pfizer is 85%. Real world people who have had it, not just medical trials.

That’s if I’ve just understood what they said on the news on the radio correctly.

That's my understanding also.

I was reading another interesting piece last night on the issues of the "Nocebo effect", where people can experience physical side-effects from something even though they shouldn't, because they have a prior perception that they will. And this may be happening in EU countries now, particularly Italy, where medics are reporting severe side-effects from the AZ vaccine where we and other nations aren't.

[duncs500]

Depressing state of affairs in the EU. Political leaders have managed to do a great job of panning the AZ vaccine to the extent that in Germany they've only used c100,000 of the c700,000 they've received. Italian medics advising people to not have it etc. In Germany, as they aren't told what they're going to get people just aren't turning up for their vaccine appointments because they don't want the AZ one. The cocks in charge could at least send the AZ vaccines to those countries that are happy to use them.

Meanwhile the Croatians have joined the likes of Hungary and ordered a load of the Sputnik vaccine. France is staring down the barrel of a long lockdown as cases are steady at c20k/day.

So that EU unity that was the basis of the delayed procurement process is really working out for them now

Meanwhile here studies have shown one dose of the AZ vaccine reduces hospitalisation from corona by 94% after 4 weeks, while Pfizer is 85%. Real world people who have had it, not just medical trials.

That’s if I’ve just understood what they said on the news on the radio correctly.

That's my understanding also.

I was reading another interesting piece last night on the issues of the "Nocebo effect", where people can experience physical side-effects from something even though they shouldn't, because they have a prior perception that they will. And this may be happening in EU countries now, particularly Italy, where medics are reporting severe side-effects from the AZ vaccine where we and other nations aren't.

TBF one of my colleagues had a pretty severe side effect, in that he basically had pretty harsh flu symptoms for 2-3 days after.

[Mark_bt52]

Meanwhile here studies have shown one dose of the AZ vaccine reduces hospitalisation from corona by 94% after 4 weeks, while Pfizer is 85%. Real world people who have had it, not just medical trials.

That’s if I’ve just understood what they said on the news on the radio correctly.

That's my understanding also.

I was reading another interesting piece last night on the issues of the "Nocebo effect", where people can experience physical side-effects from something even though they shouldn't, because they have a prior perception that they will. And this may be happening in EU countries now, particularly Italy, where medics are reporting severe side-effects from the AZ vaccine where we and other nations aren't.

TBF one of my colleagues had a pretty severe side effect, in that he basically had pretty harsh flu symptoms for 2-3 days after.

So did my father

[ZedLeg]

I wonder if it's psychosomatic, none of the covid vaccines are live.